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R/I/R, thank you for demonstrating yet another one of your punk tactics: that of requoting people's statements in isolation in such a manner as to make them look crazy, minus all of the supporting facts that logically show how the statements are, in fact, reasonable. You have done this to me at least two times now. You also did this to me in your posting of Thursday, August 05, 1999 at 18:58:15 (MDT), with the obvious intent then of trying to make me look like a whacko and relying on the general ignorance most people have of the court system in this country.

You will no doubt cry about how I do the same to you when I requote your statements. However, the statements of yours that I requote are either a summary of, or are, in some other manner, similar to everything you have posted on this guestbook so far. The test of this is my reply of September 29, 1999 at 05:56:16 (MDT) to your posting of Tuesday, September 28, 1999 at 12:02:15 (MDT). I would be only too happy to requote everything that you have posted, as all of it is evidence. However, it is obvious that that would only create total confusion.

And, regarding the term "conspiracy," that is your throw-in and is yet another example of the ad-hoc inflammatory statements you so often come up with. At this point, I have come to no definite conclusion about Steve. I have just made a query that any reasonable person would immediately recognize as valid. But, of course, you are not reasonable. And, since the query I made does concern you, this reaction of yours to that query could be more of your diversion tactics to confuse people and divert their attention away from that query.

Finally, regarding your ad-hoc inflammatory statements, you posted the following and demonstrated yet another one of your punk tactics: that of mixing a little bit of truth with a lot of lies:

"As far as your "closed private club" comment, you really can't see your paranoia or illness can you? You have made this comment about a couple of different occupations now. And they seem to be occupations that have power or authority associated with them. It's quite obvious you do not like people that have occupations with power. That's fine---I'm just making an observation."
You are entirely correct about me not liking people that have occupations with power. What you fail to mention is that those kind of people always make it their business to control the lives of everyone they come in contact with, to the point where they literally enslave those other people. Otherwise, why have the occupation with power? Remember the proverb: absolute power corrupts absolutely? Then, you mix in the absurd lie about me "being mentally ill" simply because I consider my life to be my own and I do not want to be associated with anyone who would attempt to enslave me. As far as this entire "mental illness" crap of yours is concerned, save it. Your entire behavior towards me has been nothing but bad faith.

Alec Destry <xode@netzero.net>
South Bay, CA USA - Wednesday, November 24, 1999 at 17:14:54 (MST)
Alec---You wrote: "I am beginning to wonder if you are a fraud, or if this website is being controlled by someone other than yourself"

I can't believe you're creating ANOTHER conspiracy. Just a few days ago, the newest conspiracy was the disappearance of "Citizen Target" and your belief that I had something to do with it. And now today, you believe that the website might be controlled by somebody else. Ugh......I know this is TOTALLY useless, but what the hell, I'll say it again----Alec, when I continue to say that you find a conspiracy under every rock, how can you not see why I say this? It just blows my mind that a person can have such hardcore tunnel vision. Kind of like a "Rainman" sort of character---but worse! At least Rainman was open to new ideas every now and then.

And one other point as well. I have questioned your mental state several times now, and for very good reason. Others on this Guestbook have also said the same thing, independently of each other (for example, "Teh Editor", "Almost Retired", etc). And you yourself have admitted to run-ins with officials in the judicial process--I believe you said it happened twice and that it was in court. I could be mistaken on where it was, but I know that you have mentioned at least two separate instances. So now you have a pretty large group of people that have met you both in person, and on the web with words only. Does that mean anything to you at all? With so many different people telling you the same thing, doesn't it make your mind wonder---if only for a brief moment---that maybe some of these people MIGHT, just MIGHT, have a valid point? I guess you could say that they are all conspiring together to say that, which of course is ridiculous, but you seem to believe those kinds of things.

As frustrating as it is in trying to communicate with you, I actually do hope that someday you will go and get the help that you so desparately need. It would be very interesting to see the "before" and "after" person once you have received intense counseling and medication. I'm no doctor, but I do know that it is an illness just like anything else, and it can be treated with medication to bring the chemicals back into balance. Just out of curiosity, how many times have you been taken on a 72 hour emergency psychiatric hold? You mentioned those two previous times---was that a hold you were placed on or something else? What were the circumstances that led up to that, and what was the outcome? You can send it to me in an e-mail if you wish, and not on the web page. As I said many months ago, I will never turn anybody away that asks for help. My offer continues to stand should you ever change your mind.
Retired/Injured Cop <user3665@aol.com>
Bay Area, CA USA - Wednesday, November 24, 1999 at 13:30:01 (MST)


Almost Retired, you wrote:
Bryan--I know what it feels like to get there too late. I still have visions of two little babies, ages 2 and 4, laying lifeless on the roadway. The youngest had the prettiest blue eyes just staring up into the sky. This was 17 years ago--and you never forget. Their dad was the lucky one, he died 3 weeks later. Their mom is still living the nightmare. Whatever you do, please don't resist any counselling which might be offered. It really does help. Also, seek out the comfort of others who have been involved in traumatic events such as the one which you were involved in. Don't let it win--you still have a long life, and hopefully a long career, ahead of you. Amadi--Thank you for the kind words of support. People generally don't visit this type of site to extend kind words to the police. If more people would follow your lead, perhaps the anti-social deviants who develop these sites would realize that they are wrong. And now for the Tim/Alec/Retired show. Retired--what I am about to say is said with the utmost of respect. I have been very lucky throughout my career. All of the injuries that I have sustained have healed, and if all goes well, I look forward to a normal retirement in a couple of years. I am sorry for your disability I know that unless I wore your shoes, I could never really understand what you are going through. I'll send some information to you off-list. I have to agree with you. After reading several of the comments that Tim has made, there is no way that I will ever believe that he is a police officer. Cops simply don't air their dirty laundry in a public forum such as this one. If a cop had an issue with something that you said, he would seek you out in private. Sorry Tim, but it's obvious to me that you've never had to battle in the trenches. If you had, you would understand. I won't even discuss Alec, since it's obvious to me that he's plain M.O. (that's police talk for 'in need of mental observation' in case you didn't recognize it, Tim). I guess we should prepare for Alec's political novel discussing what a criminal I am for exercising my First Amendment rights. We need to look at what we say on this type of list. It is coming across as cops fighting against cops. If this is the case, then Steve wins. I can see him sitting back now laughing at a number of entries on this list. Don't let him win. Don't feed his desire to trash good cops. Once again, these are my opinions and are not meant to harm or insult anyone (other than Tim and Alec).
I said you wrote:
Almost Retired, you can continue crying about how you "protect and defend people, how you are so touched by hurt people, how you do your job so well in spite of being unappreciated, how it is war between you and those who speak out against police brutality and how those, such as myself, who do speak out against police brutality, must be mental." But, it is extremely significant that you consider yourself to be at war with those who speak out against police brutality...
Any person with half a brain can see that I didn't misquote you here, even though I didn't use the same words that you did. But, of course, you intentionally refuse to see that. Instead, you use another punk tactic, namely that of spewing out totally ad-hoc inflammatory lies designed specifically to ruin the credibility of those who oppose you, and so bold that people reading them will simply swallow them without checking out their validity.

Speaking of this punk tactic, you had the unmitigated gall to simply label me "mental" in your post of Saturday, November 20, 1999 at 23:40:53 (MST), with no facts to justify your attack of course. Then you continue your attack on my character with your posting of Tuesday, November 23, 1999 at 03:24:29 (MST). Needless to say, you did this to all of the people you murdered, either before or after you murdered them of course. Does anyone reading this guestbook remember Waco? If so, does anyone remember that the so called news began smearing David Koresh and company after the FBI murdered them.

In all of this, you also count on the mistaken belief of most people that you and your ilk are somehow "legitimate." I look forward to the day when the people of this country see that you and your ilk are not "legitimate," something that my website easily proves. Then, perhaps, you and your ilk can be prosecuted for the crimes you all have and are continuing to commit against the people of this country.

Steve, I find it very disturbing that you support R/I/R. He obviously supports those police you have said are your enemy. I am beginning to wonder if you are a fraud, or if this website is being controlled by someone other than yourself.[It looks like the time has come for me to step in and tell you to get a fucking grip, Alec. Quite frankly, I haven't been reading your tirades against him because they got old fast, but I can assure you that he doesn't defend the type of cops I want to see dead. If you don't like the way I do things, you're always free to put up your own cop abuse page and run it how you like. Incidentally, I notice more than a whiff of hypocrisy coming from you here, given your recent sucking up to Tim. --steve]
Alec Destry <xode@netzero.net>
South Bay, CA USA - Wednesday, November 24, 1999 at 13:10:25 (MST)


Bring it, don't sing it.
Jason Barnes <jasonrbarnes@uswest.net>
Madison County, IA USA - Wednesday, November 24, 1999 at 02:57:08 (MST)
I apologize for my typos, but in my haste and the adrenalin fuck of it all I just wanted to type it down as fast as possible, I was on a roll and wanted to get it out!! But I do wnat to say that all cops should have a 4 year degree before they become pigs and then after 4 or 5 years of acceptable performance then they should get a post graduate degree that we the tax payers should pay for, getting these little piggies educated ensures that they become safe and competant little nazis!!
milo
USA - Tuesday, November 23, 1999 at 21:18:42 (MST)
I have given some thought to some of the POLICE BABBLE, first of, Who the FUCK do YOU think YOU are almost retired or retired injured or whatever the FUCK!!. ONE, Don't try to plya YOUR fucking POWER and CONTROL COP GAMES here, go fuck yourself and your DOG!. Right away, OH I HAVE A PERSONAL INTEREST BUT ALSO SO THAT I CAN CORRECT ALL OF THIS MISINFORMATION, whatever fuckface, I was being "SARCASTIC with my posting ASSHOLE! so fuck off!. And who the fuck do you think you are to appoint yourself the all knowing cop asshole,. you are so used to trying to cover your incompetant ass you now think you and spew out you COP MURDER JUSTIFICATION THOUGHT PROCESS that is RIFE with COGNITIVE DISTORTIONS! that means because of you institionalized conditioning and brainwashing you lack the capacity for independant thought or CREATIVE thought you have become part of the collective COP POLICE STATE GESTAPO!.. I am sick of COP MEDIA RATIONALIZTIONS of just how DANGEROUS EVERYONE IS. Like that denver COP who lost his mind and in a vent of road rage shot up this guy in a car and the cop got fired when he should have been charged with attempted murder and become BIG JESSIES BITCH! sucking and getting fucked by big black cock!. And how about the BIG POLICE LIUTENANT who was charged with SEX ASSAULT on a child in ARVADA, HE WAS A BIG CHEESE with the DENVER PIGS and he was charged with MULTIPLE ACCOUNTS including the "Position of Trust factor" meaning he should also be BIG JESSIES BITCH for at least 20 years should the corrupt and benign Judicial System in Jefferson County apply it's DRACONIAN JUSTICE!!. Let me give you little hitler youths a quick lesson, DRACOS was a medieval bastard that lived in Bosnia or some fucking place like that and for DRACOS every single crime regardless of nature was dealt by EXECUTION, well the people got sick of DRACOS' act, and dropped the hammer on him. Put him down. And that is what is happening in todays society, even the corrupt republican drafted manatory minimums are rearing it's ugly head and taking a bite out of the asses of the child molesting denver police liutenants asses, and other stories like the massachussets cop that was raping women he would stop and how about the denver cop that did the same!! I LOVE IT WHEN THE SYSTEM FUCKS EVEN ITS OWN BROTHERS IN BLUE!! have nice day you fucking cyber pig babbling morons uh yeah milo, you-you better get you facts straight, and when I am telling truths then you get a LOUD silence and no comment. hummm I was part of the system, I worked in CORRECTIONS, and considered the ENFORCEMENT side of the house, but what I came to realize was that reform was not the goal and that in fact many ways of generating REVENUE were the goals of the corrections programs as it is in enforcement, tickets generate money, crimes have fines to pay you have to pay for everything if you get sucked into the system, then I thought I would try the Contractor Parole/Probation, and because it was obviously profit oriented you were motivated to ensure that your "CLIENTS did not fuck up or you would lose your contract really fast. I have a lot of cop friends but I also know and see a lot of bad cops and bad probation officers, the parole officers are good and they have to be. But I lover to revel in the bullshit I start you feeble minded cops. Think about it, there are much healthier and profitable ways to make a living than to be a cop! you see most cops have a need for POWER and CONTROL or they suffer from male pattern baldness and fees really insecure and have to masculate their inherenet insecurities. I am waiting for some feeble COP RESPONSES. Don't try, because it will be unfair for you I have intellectual superiority and my multiple DEGREES to lay waste to COP BABBLE, look it's like you COP, being a one legged man in a ASS kicking contest! Now all you little nazis can get your guns out jam in a round and burn a slug into your Melonhead because you have just realized how stupid a choice it was to become a cop, your wives hate you and have affairs behind your back and you or your kids commit suicide! SNAP!!!!!
milo
USA - Tuesday, November 23, 1999 at 20:52:00 (MST)
i hope a "bad" cop kills you[It wouldn't surprise me a bit, frankly. Maybe one of them will get you, too. --steve]
bike8
USA - Tuesday, November 23, 1999 at 19:00:27 (MST)
Wow. You're my hero.
Tim <RIR@realfuckingmoron.com>
USA - Tuesday, November 23, 1999 at 11:37:11 (MST)
"Tim"--Geez, you're so predictable. You zero in on any little thing you can to twist around, and make it fit your own little personal biases. Regarding the nurse who got injured, who said anything about a back injury? And who said she wasn't working? Again, you continue to demonstrate the incredible lack of common sense that you have.

In regards to you stating that I will say how you don't know anything and that you shouldn't be posting here......I'll halfway agree with you. It's very obvious that you don't know what you're talking about. You're proving that just fine on your own without my help. But not posting here? Oh, quite the opposite----post all you want. I need my daily dose of free entertainment. [That's why I keep him around. --steve]
Retired/Injured Cop <user3665@aol.com>
Bay Area, CA USA - Tuesday, November 23, 1999 at 07:46:05 (MST)


There it is [sic]folks! His own admission to it. Now we get a look at what's really going on. Do you say you have an aunt that's collecting disability on another job, huh? Sounds like it runs in the family. Good way to get a paycheck for sitting on your ass. What do you think [sic] guys. [sic] Seeing as how back injuries are the easiest to fake and hardest to prove. Of course I'm sure he will come up with another statement as to how I don't know anything and that I should not be posting here, but Oh [sic] well [sic] he'll get over it [sic] and fuck him if he don't.
Tim <RIR@ridinthewelfarewagon.com>
USA - Tuesday, November 23, 1999 at 06:34:05 (MST)
---Alec---I went back to my one and only entry on this site to see if I could locate what you said I wrote. Funny thing--I couldn't find it. Where in the fuck do you come up with this shit? You've totally lost it. ---Milo---Check the laws and policies before you make stupid and uneducated statements which make you look like a fool. Workers' Compensation has absolutely nothing to do with retirement. See what Retired said, he is correct. ---Tim---Retired guessed it correct, you are a wannabe. I read a few hundred pages back where you suggested that you provide Retired with your ORI. That would be impossible, since an ORI is only issued to an agency, not an individual. YOU DON'T HAVE ONE. Loser.
Almost Retired <cgpd104@aol.com>
USA - Tuesday, November 23, 1999 at 03:24:29 (MST)
Alec---If you can distribute the contents of this webpage to as many people as possible, that would be fantastic! I don't know how you will accomplish that, but I sincerely wish you luck. The more people that are laughing at your web page contents and your comments, the better. Maybe one of these days, you'll wake up and smell the coffee (stealing Ann Lander's words there).
Retired/Injured Cop <user3665@aol.com>
Bay Area, CA USA - Tuesday, November 23, 1999 at 01:29:07 (MST)
Milo----I need to correct you on some serious misunderstanding that you have with the retirement system. First of all, a medical retirement does not bring on a full salary. It brings on a percentage of the person's salary. I can't speak for other states--I only know the laws in California, and I can assure you that it is not a full salary. Check out the PERS web page if you want to see the formulas.

Additionally, you are correct that it is 100% tax free. However, you say that as if it is something that only police officers receive. That is absolutely false. There are MANY occupations that receive a retirement salary tax free. The thing that kicks in the tax free laws are when the salary is disability related. My aunt is a nurse and was injured on the job (private hospital), and receives a tax free retirement salary. So your information is correct about the income being tax free, however, your inference is that this is something special for cops, and it is not.

In answering your question if somebody can work when they are retired on a disability, the answer is yes. I know nothing about the man that you named in your comments, so I can not address him specifically. However, I can tell you that whenever an employee (in any occupation, public or private) gets injured on the job to the point where they have to retire with a disability, that injured worker is very strongly encouraged to get re-trained for another job. The name of the state program in California is "Vocational Rehab". There is a fund of $16,000 available to all injured workers (again, not just cops, but all occupations) to train them in some other job that they are physically capable of. In the example of a police officer, that job is very physically demanding. So when that employee is forced to retire medically, that person can choose to go into another career that is not physically demanding---such as a computer programmer, or an architect, or whatever. Injured workers are assigned a person called a "Vocational Rehab Counselor" and their pay comes out of that $16,000 fund. The money does not pay for a salary for the injured worker---it only pays for training and equipment to get them back into the work force again. So the bottom line answer to your question is no, it is not fraud for a person that is medically retired to be working again. Quite the contrary, it is highly encouraged to get that person rehab'd to the point where they can become a useful member of society again.

You also asked if that same person (in the example above) will receive a tax free income with the new occupation. The answer is no, they will not. They get taxed just like anybody else in the new occupation.

Your next question asked why there is so much interest by cops on an anti-cop web page. I can't answer specifically for others, but I can certainly answer for myself. I have many reasons, some of which are personal. However, one of the main reasons I am here is so that I can correct misinformation that is posted by people. I understand that there is a small minority of people that hate cops, and those people all have their own reasons for that hatred. I fully understand that I can not change their minds or make them see things any differently. They come in with their minds made up, and they leave with their minds made up. That is an unfortunate fact of life. However, I feel that the least I can do is correct comments that are posted that I know to be incorrect, I can answer questions (as I did above), and I can give my opinions and views on different incidents, scenarios, etc. These are only my reasons---I'm sure other cops (both retired and active) have their own reasons as well. When I give answers to questions that are strictly factual with no opinion or personal viewpoints involved, there are still people out there that will challenge, yell, scream, kick, and have fits about it. That's way beyond my control, and that is totally their problem if they can't accept simple facts that have absolutely nothing to do with how I feel. Some people, unfortunately, choose to go through life with a chip on their shoulder and that's a shame. I have not seen you (Milo) post too many times on this Guestbook so I have no idea if you have been following the conversations for any length of time. But I have learned some new things and I have heard things from a new perspective that I have never known before. I'm not always correct, but when I'm wrong, I'll admit it. The only way to grow is to accept the fact that we, as people, don't "know it all" and it's always best to just keep an open mind---no matter who is saying it. As I'm sure you know, I can't stand "Alec" because his statements are so confusing and so paranoid, and he is very degrading to people who disagree with his point of view. However, that has not stopped me from letting him know that I do agree with a small portion of what he talks about. His factual information is correct, but his conspiracy theories are his own thing that I do not support at all.

I am curious about something you said in your last post though. You talked about someone that I am assuming is me. Correct me if I'm wrong, but do you think that I'm posting comments to this Guestbook at taxpayer expense and then reporting things back (in report form) to the police department? I think that's what you were saying, but I'm not totally sure. If you think that, of course there's not a thing I can do to change your mind---that's your business. But all I can do is tell you this----do you honestly think, with me being retired, that they (my former employer) would want me to do such a thing? Especially when they can logon to this web page from their desk and read the words themselves. If you do think such a thing exists, you're letting your imagination run a little too far.

And finally, your "Nazi" comment. Where did that come from? What do Nazis have to do with any of this? That's part of the pattern that I notice here. Many people explode things into these huge theories that are just ridiculous. Again, you can have any opinion you want to. All I can do is tell you mine, and you can take it or leave it.
Retired/Injured Cop <user3665@aol.com>
Bay Area, CA USA - Tuesday, November 23, 1999 at 01:02:42 (MST)


Milo, the more the cops visit this "Anti-cop" webpage and the more comments they leave, the more evidence we the people have to prove that they are not serving us! This is especially true when you produce some real hard evidence against them, such as what I, Citizen Target, and a few others have done. Then, when they try to fluff that off, such as what R/I/R has done and is continuing to do, they look even more stupid and criminal!

The bottom line is that one of the functions of this webpage is to have cops visit it so that they can leave evidence proving what they really are and who they really serve. Why not welcome the cops, get their comments and then distribute the contents of this webpage to as many citizens, the more influential the better, as you can, so that everyone can become aware of just what the police are in this country?

Speaking of which, have you checked out my website? I have provided a link to it here, just for you. What is on my website is something that everyone needs to be aware of. Please spread the word and get others to visit it as well.
Alec Destry <xode@netzero.net>
South Bay, CA USA - Tuesday, November 23, 1999 at 00:24:40 (MST)


R/I/R, you are wrong, intentionally wrong that is. I never said or implied: "if Tim reads my web site and agrees with it, yet he does NOT arrest Ira Reiner, then he is a "good guy" and is not guilty of treason and whatever else I say." This is yet another one of your diversion tactics, namely: draw nonexistent conclusions, to the point of outright lying, about what other people have said. But, that is just part of your punk nature.

The truth is I said that I had asked Tim to read my webpage just as I had asked you to read it, but didn't describe in any manner how I would communicate with Tim after he had read my webpage. The reason that I didn't say anything about that is because of your threat to me of September 25, 1999. You are a deadly threat to me and are obviously looking for any excuse whatsoever to justify an armed aggression against me under color of law and using fabricated "charges." Don't even think of telling me that I am "paranoid, delusional, etc." because that sort of horror has happened to me twice to date, with no success (i.e. no so called convictions) on the part of the enemy (i.e. the fraud that calls itself our public government), thank God!
Alec Destry <xode@netzero.net>
South Bay, CA USA - Tuesday, November 23, 1999 at 00:08:08 (MST)


Dam, since I have severe dry skin it is difficult to type without typos. I guess I am also RETIRED AND INJURED! does that mean I get a FULL SALARY PENSION TAX FREE?!!. Guess what Art Zavarias is the head of colorado dept of public safety, the bick cock for pigs and he got a "Disability Pension" does that mean he can still work when he's drawing a disability pension tax free, let me see if you claim workmans comp and you are ok enough to work that is fraud, well then if you retire with a tax free disability and you still work well, isn't that also fraud? defrauding the taxpayers, does that mean his new job is also tax free income? Help me out my (for some unknown reasons why all of these psuedo-cops are leaving messages here) leeches of the taxpayer. So why so much interest in this web page by cops, guys it's a Anti-Cop web page, get a clue you are not liked here so why do you spew forth your cop conditioned thought process ? Hum let's see, Uh I know how I can score some brownie points with my chain of command, I will monitor anti cop websites and at the tax payers expense write my little feeble minded cop reports! uh yeah that will do it!! I hope they will look up to me at the squad room, maybe even the captains wife will bake me some brownies or a blowjob!. Sigh maybe someday I will make Sergeant!! I hope they notice that I wax and armor all my patrol car! being the good little nazi that I am!
Milo-I can spell!!
USA - Monday, November 22, 1999 at 22:22:06 (MST)
Whatever.
Tim <RIR@mustsucktobeyou.com>
USA - Monday, November 22, 1999 at 18:36:05 (MST)
"Tim"----You continue to show, over and over again, how you stand for everything opposite of what a police officer is. What a fantasy land it is that you live in---absolutely incredible. And I think you should quit while you're ahead (well, you're not ahead but it sounded good anyway). Your latest reason for not anwering my 3 questions is ludicrous. How in the world can you possibly reveal who you are, by answering 3 generic questions that in no way identify your location on this planet, your name, or anything at all. I asked you 3 *VERY* basic questions that do not even require you to be a police officer to answer. If you attended an AJ class or two at your local junior college, you would know the answers. That's why I purposely gave you those questions---so that you wouldn't have some sort of excuse about them "being too hard" or you couldn't answer them "because things are different where you work" or any other excuses. And don't bother answering them now---too much time has gone by where you could have gone to the library and gotten the answers, so don't pull any of that crap. If you decide you want to answer questions, I'll give you 3 brand new ones that are just as easy. You are a joke--oh yeah, and a liar. How long have you had this fixation on not being able to get hired as a police officer? You must sit at home, wondering why you don't "have what it takes" don't you? Geez dude, if you can't figure that out by now, you never will. Who is it that works at Burger World?
Retired/Injured Cop <user3665@aol.com>
Bay Area, CA USA - Monday, November 22, 1999 at 18:14:36 (MST)
Alec---Yeah, I'm a traitor and whatever else you said. Whatever. Anyway, you are making no sense whatsoever. Let me see if I get this straight----If Tim reads your web site and agrees with it, yet he does NOT arrest Ira Reiner, then he is a "good guy" and is not guilty of treason and whatever else you say. Yet if someone like me reads your web page, calls it a bunch of non-sensical crap, and I do not arrest Ira Reiner, then I am guilty of treason and all of those other things?? Do I have this right? The only difference in the two cases is that one person agrees with your web page and the other does not, yet their actions are identical. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that is exactly what your last post just said.
Retired/Injured Cop <user3665@aol.com>
Bay Area, CA USA - Monday, November 22, 1999 at 17:56:44 (MST)
R/I/R, first Tim has to be given the opportunity to see the evidence that I have against this fraud that calls itself our public government. I gave you that opportunity when I first began communicating with you, and, by your responses, including this latest garbage: "Oh, and regarding your "irrefutable evidence"......It is VERY refutable...," you have proven yourself to be a traitor to the people of this country. As you well know, I have already asked Tim to look at my evidence and he has told me that he would. So, things are progressing as they should.

There are no double standards here for you to twist around, as much as you would like there to be.
Alec Destry <xode@netzero.net>
South Bay, CA USA - Monday, November 22, 1999 at 17:31:31 (MST)


Hey Stevo! Glad to see that you have chose [sic] me to add your comments to. [Only because I know how much it irritates you. --steve] How ARE things at BurgerWorld?? [sic] [I don't know, but I'll ask your mom and get back to you, OK? --steve] RIR, you are a true ignorant ass, you talk out your ass, and **sniff** **sniff** your breath smells like shit. You are an arrogant asshole who deserves what he gets. Have a nice life, loser. P.S.- I CHOOSE not to participate in your 'tests' for obvious reasons. Would a real officer identify themselves in a website titled "Copkiller"? The answer is NO. Only pretenders such as yourself who seek some kind of twisted recognition do that. I definitely know better than to give you all of my pertinent information, especially since you are obviously a mental case. [Young Tim lives in Texas, R/I. --steve]
Tim <RIR@WhatALoser.com>
USA - Monday, November 22, 1999 at 17:12:46 (MST)
AWESOME!! I'D KILL A PIG IF I COULD GET AWAYW/ IT. ANYWAY I ASK FOR YOU PERMMISSION TO USE SOME OF YOU PICS AS COVER ART IN A CD. I AM PUTTING TOGETHER. I LOOK FORWARD TO YOU E MAILED RESPONCE. LATER.
ERIC GENERIC <PUNXRULOK@YAHOO.COM>
CLEVELAND, OH USA - Monday, November 22, 1999 at 14:55:01 (MST)
Oh, and regarding your "irrefutable evidence"......It is VERY refutable...
Retired/Injured Cop <user3665@aol.com>
Bay Area, CA USA - Monday, November 22, 1999 at 14:52:20 (MST)
Alec----When are you going to start ordering "Tim" to go and arrest Ira Reiner? You wouldn't possibly have a set of double-standards now, would you?
Retired/Injured Cop <user3665@aol.com>
Bay Area, CA USA - Monday, November 22, 1999 at 14:07:32 (MST)
Tim, have you checked out my website yet? The evidence there can be of great benefit in your quest to weed out losers like R/I/R, that you expressed in your posting of Sunday, November 21, 1999 at 22:10:11 (MST).
Alec Destry <xode@netzero.net>
South Bay, CA USA - Monday, November 22, 1999 at 11:19:51 (MST)
R/I/R, as someone else recently stated generally, you pooh-pooh the credibility of anyone who doesn't blindly accept your New World Order (read police state, and worse) fraud. As you recently admitted, you, and all police like you, are systematically brainwashed to be this way, and no doubt the police academy is part of that brainwashing process. Of course, the typical manner in which you work is to apply some convenient labels designed to serve your purposes and to assassinate the character of your target, complete with lies, misrepresentation, bad faith, ad-hoc inflammatory absurdities, etc. as in:
Alec----Your latest comments are a classic example of the pure hatred that you have towards human beings. It doesn't matter what their occupation is. You are just a very sick man. Not only that, but your generalizations of the comments made by "Almost Retired" are nowhere close to anything he said. The majority of your comments are completely fabricated and made up, as he did not say anything even close to resembling what you believe he said. No wonder you can't communicate with anybody. You see what you want to see, plain and simple.
The key, to recognizing you, and all police like you, for what you all are, is the evidence that I have presented and that is up on my website. It is irrefutable, just as "2 + 2 = 4" is irrefutable! It simply takes a bit more effort to study and understand. What is key to remember from all of this madness is that your responses, and especially the manner in which you responded, to this evidence can only mean that you are an inherent and mortal enemy of the people of this country! Given that you have been a law enforcement officer, all of this makes you guilty of treason against the people and sovereignty of this country!

Sometimes, even, the ad-hoc inflammatory statements that you and your ilk make can be recognized for the malicious and satanic attacks that they are. An example of this is your: "Your latest comments are a classic example of the pure hatred that you have towards human beings." You have no evidence to back up this latest satanic attack on my character! Given that "my latest comments" that you refer to are...

R/I/R, it is you and the trash like you such as "Almost Retired," that degrade other people. The degradation comes in the form of the Orwellian punk attitude that you all display and that you all have the unmitigated gall to attempt to pass off as "enlightened, unappreciated, do gooders."

Almost Retired, you can continue crying about how you "protect and defend people, how you are so touched by hurt people, how you do your job so well in spite of being unappreciated, how it is war between you and those who speak out against police brutality and how those, such as myself, who do speak out against police brutality, must be mental." But, it is extremely significant that you consider yourself to be at war with those who speak out against police brutality. Do understand that you and your ilk protect, with extreme mechanical viciousness and with deadly force, a fraudulent court system of attornment that derives from a foreign power, that is completely illegal and that constitutes treason against the people and sovereignty of this country. Your crying is nothing but deceit and fraud to lead people away from the truth of what you and your ilk really are and your unmitigated gall at calling people, who attempt to expose you for what you are, "mental" additional injury on top of the crimes you have already committed. In essence, you and your ilk are traitors against the people and sovereignty of this country.

Personally, I am looking for some real cops that will recognize and protect the rights of the people of this country.

...this latest attack on my character is simply additional satanic coverup efforts by you to protect the vicious crimes that you and your ilk have already committed against me and others, and which I described briefly in "my latest comments." Perhaps the worst, and certainly the most nauseating, aspect of this latest satanic attack on my character is that you count on the boldness of your attack, together with the general laziness of people to not read "my latest comments," to cause people to simply and blindly believe that that attack has merit. But, of course, your entire behavior has been riddled with this nauseating procedure.

As I said many times before, you, all police like you, and all of the criminals that you protect, and especially judges and attorneys, are mortal enemies of the people of this country. The sooner everyone recognizes all of you for what you all are and the sooner you all are brought to trial for your crimes, in a real court that obeys the United States Constitution, the better off everyone will be!
Alec Destry <xode@netzero.net>
South Bay, CA USA - Monday, November 22, 1999 at 11:07:46 (MST)


"Tim"---You are not a police officer, plain and simple. Here are the facts:

-You were given multiple opportunities to prove your occupation, in a very safe way that would not reveal who you are, or where you are employed. You refused every chance to do that. -You were given a very simple test that ANY cop in the USA or Canada would be able to answer---you again would not answer those questions, and instead came back with a poor excuse why you would not do that. -You are extremely unprofessional in your comments, as well as the fake e-mail addresses that you sign your comments with (For example, "cocksuck") -You have made fun of and degraded me for a serious on-duty injury I received. **NO** police officer would EVER do that to another cop..........ever. -You fight every word I say, which I find very interesting. I am against corruption in police departments and have given examples of my own personal experiences and what I have done about it. I have also given numerous examples of what I have done in my community to make things better by going way above and beyond the call of duty. Why are you against that? Come to think of it, you have never said what it is that you disagree with when I make my comments. All you do is come back with sarcastic, rude, and arrogant "one liners". There isn't a police officer alive today that would act the way that you act.

The game is over sir. The only reason I continue to press the issue of you not being a cop is so that people who sign onto this Guestbook can see both sides and decide for themselves. I can not let sick people like you go unchallenged. It's very obvious who you are and what you represent.
Retired/Injured Cop <user3665@aol.com>
Bay Area, CA USA - Monday, November 22, 1999 at 09:34:52 (MST)


I'm notifying various anti-police abuse web sites about a particularly awful case of alleged rape by cop, where the cop has now been reinstated to the Austin police force! You might also be interested in the web site generally -- I think it may be up your alley. Here's the notice I sent out to media and politicos locally: In mid-November, a district judge ordered the Austin Police Department to reinstate Officer Samuel Ramirez, an Austin cop accused of "official oppression" by a Travis County grand jury and of rape by an alleged victim. I've installed information about the reinstatement and the case on my APD Hall of Shame web site -- http://www.onr.com/user/blackdog/. Councilmembers, the media, and everyone else in Austin should become very concerned when bad cops like Ramirez are let back on the force by APD's own rules and employment agreements. Unfortunately, it happens routinely. Please take a look at this material and consider what you can do to get the word out about this grave injustice and to try to make sure it doesn't recur in the future. Best, Scott Henson Austin Police Department Hall of Shame Webmaster http://www.onr.com/user/blackdog/
Scott Henson
Austin, TX USA - Monday, November 22, 1999 at 08:55:23 (MST)
Wow. I am so fourtunate [sic] that YOU have GIVEN ME the chance to identify myself. Oh self appointed [sic] officer of the message board. As I said, I know who I am and what i [sic] do, so that's your personal hangup if you chose not to believe. I have learned in this line of work that there are assholes such as yourself in this life and that we must grin and bear it. Later Loser [sic].
Tim <RIR@cocksuck.com>[Oh, look: Tim's homoerotic tendencies are popping up again. So to speak. --steve]
USA - Monday, November 22, 1999 at 06:32:51 (MST)
Of course the media will provide the "COP MURDER RATIONALIZATION THEORY" they can conclude that a 10 year old boy has the power to create a life threatening situation by not paying for school lunch or puching someone on the playground. They will rationalize their actions and SELL it as justification for their heavy handed responses. in 1968 a 14 year old hispanic boy was handcuffed in the back of a police car in texas. Somehow, all you rationalizing murdering cops can tell me a scenario that can justify a point blank gunshot to the temple of this child? while in handcuffs sitting in the backseat of a police car? uhh yeah the suspect had a metal object in his hand uh no those were handcuffs, uh well the suspect really had bad gas you know how they eat all those beans. Yeah that's it, The suspect matched the descriptiion of a 45year old white male and we apprehended him for questioning and we "CONVENIENTLY" left out certain details, since we are trained to collect and present eveidence that will get a conviction and hide the evidence that can prove someone's INNOCENCE! The DA coaches and teaches cops to LIE in court, present a credible testimony and some agencies even teach cops how to pass a polygraph when they are LYING!! yes, it is done.
milo
USA - Monday, November 22, 1999 at 05:54:26 (MST)
In reference to the police-involved shooting that Milo speaks of, many deatils to that incident were left out. I have provided the news article below. While I have little faith in reporters for actually reporting a story factually, this at least provides some very important details that Milo conveniently left out. There's no need for me to disect this incident and explain anything at all---you folks can decide for yourself. Tim---let me guess---you side with the cop haters on this Denver incident and are against the officers involved in the shooting, right?

THORNTON -- A suspect in the shooting of a Lakewood police officer last month died Wednesday morning in a hail of gunfire after a police chase. Danny Ray Lopez III, 28, was airlifted to St. Anthony Central Hospital where he was pronounced dead of multiple gunshot wounds. Lopez and his brother, Dustin Lopez, 19, were sought for attempted murder of Lakewood officer Kris DeRoehn. DeRoehn tried to question them about a stolen vehicle near West Florida Avenue and South Kendall Street Oct. 31. DeRoehn was shot in the leg. Denver police Detective Manny Alverez said Wednesday pictures of the Lopez brothers ran in Sunday's Denver Rocky Mountain News. The Lopez brothers were recognized as two men who had been staying at a home in the 3000 block of Eppinger Boulevard in Thornton. Thornton detectives, a SWAT team, Northglenn police and officers from the North Metro Task Force surrounded the home. Thornton police spokesman Matt Barnes said they watched the house until 9:57 p.m. when two men and two women came out, got in a car and drove away. Police followed for 10 or 11 blocks before officers tried to stop the car. Officers could see a man in the front seat put a gun to the head of the woman driving and then push her aside and take over driving, Barnes said. The car headed back toward the Eppinger Boulevard home but crashed, he said. Barnes said the two men jumped out and ran. The two women were detained. As police ran after one suspect, other officers saw the second man double back with a weapon in his hand and jump into an unmarked Arapahoe County detective's vehicle, which had been left running, and speed away. Police chased the car into a dead-end street. The fleeing man then crashed into a parked van while he made a U-turn, Barnes said. Officers were approaching on foot when the suspect put the car in gear and began to drive toward them. "That's when they opened fire," Barnes said. Barnes said he didn't know how many shots were fired, but at least 49 shell markers were placed on the ground at the scene by detectives after the shooting. The officers involved were placed on administrative leave, which is standard procedure, Barnes said. A critical incident team will investigate the shooting. The officers believe the man who got away was Dustin Lopez, 19. Police believe it was Dustin who jumped in DeRoehn's police car and made his getaway after the officer was shot in Lakewood. Police recovered a semiautomatic pistol from the seat next to Danny Lopez and are trying to trace how he obtained it and if it was the weapon used in the shooting of DeRoehn.
Retired/Injured Cop <user3665@aol.com>
Bay Area, CA USA - Monday, November 22, 1999 at 01:48:23 (MST)


Tim---You just crack me up! I can't believe you're still trying to make people think you're a cop. What a LOSER! I have given you every chance imagineable to verify that you are, and you have come up with an excuse every single time. As I have said, even without those items that you find excuses for, just your words alone are enough that ANY cop will instantly know that you're a wannabe fraud. You are just incredible.
Retired/Injured Cop <user3665@aol.com>
Bay Area, CA USA - Monday, November 22, 1999 at 01:24:47 (MST)
Sorry Milo, I wasn't referring to you, I was talking to RIR. I see that you're new here and may not know what a loser RIR really is. Again, my apologies, I should have indicated who I was speaking to.
Tim
USA - Sunday, November 21, 1999 at 22:20:05 (MST)
To clarify my standing: I AM IN FACT a law enforcement officer in the Southern United States. I DO NOT condone the killing of fellow officers in any fashion. I DO however [sic] condone the thinning of the ranks by ridding the profession of badge heavy, wannabe losers (such as RIR)that [sic] are a drag on the system. I work in this field and I see the abuses of power that Steve speaks of, [sic] however I still DO NOT and HAVE NEVER condoned the murder of police officers. If RIR choses to believe this or not is of no consequence to me. He must deal with his own personal insecurities and deficiencies in his own way, and if he choses to use me as a target of his abuse, then so be it. I'm CERTAIN that he is one of the uneduated "lackies" that needs to be disposed of through means OTHER than murder. Thank you.
Tim <notRIRsBusiness@toobad.com>
USA - Sunday, November 21, 1999 at 22:10:11 (MST)
Tim, sounds the the shoe fits and perhaps it fits you size 9 poop-chute! I like how you rationalize away any credibility that I have. STANDARD POLICE ACADEMY COP THINKING. We will just apply some convenient labels designed to serve our purposes and assassinate you character. YOU are the blithering idiot.
MILO
USA - Sunday, November 21, 1999 at 22:06:23 (MST)
WHATEVER [sic] dude. Go back to your fantasy land, [sic] life must be better there, [sic] you seem to like it seeing as how you stay there. You are a true blithering idiot.
Tim <RIR@rectalprober.com>
USA - Sunday, November 21, 1999 at 21:25:24 (MST)
What's the difference between a CRIMINAL AND A COP/LAW ENFORCEMENT officer? Just a piece of TIN stamped into the shape of a BADGE, COPS and FEDs are CRIMINALS WITH BADGES, they just murdered a guy and shot him 49 times in denver, the victim was Danny Lopez and ALLEGEDLY he shot a cop in the leg, so the cops told his family the coroner will be calling them soon and said they are going to murder him and they did, 49 times, oh by the way he allegedly was trying to drive away from them but they used the universal police murder justification defense "I FEARED FOR MY LIFE!!" any in circumstance and it always gets them off and the CRIMINAL DISTRICT ATTORNEY will justify the murders!
milo
USA - Sunday, November 21, 1999 at 14:56:44 (MST)
Can you imagine that the new FBI CYBER PIGS Domestic Terrorism Division is just watching and documenting all of this, and laughing their asses off! I doubt they are laughing in fact I bet that they are having the Federal Law Enforcements Equivalant of the MIGHTY RECTAL ORGASM!! YES!! PHHTTT!!! sput sput sputter! since they really enjoy fucking everyone up the ass that they can! Using the FEAR FACTOR and PUBLIC SAFETY! Propaganda, they now have the same domestic spying powers that the KGB and the east German Stazi had with spying on their citizens and god forbid anyone say anything critical and exercise their first amendment right of you fabled freedom of speech, WE NOW LIVE IN A POLICE STATE WITH FEWER RIGHTS THAN THE FORMER COMMUNIST BLOCK NATIONS
milo
USA - Sunday, November 21, 1999 at 14:41:18 (MST)
Well "Tim", just as I thought. You were not able to define some very simple items. You can throw out all the acronyms you want to, but unless you define the 3 that I gave you, you are NOT a police officer. Even if you could define them, it would not necessarily mean that you were because that is all public information. Geez dude, I gave you EASY questions! And instead of answering them, you come back with more abbreviations. Do you even know what those stand for?? I doubt it. But I don't really care if you know what the ones stand for you that you listed, because you did EXACTLY as I knew you would----you couldn't answer the ones that I gave you

As for the shoulder patch---are you for real? Go over to ebay.com and do a search for police patches. There are thousands of them availble because that's a huge hobby for people.

You can say whatever you want to on this list, but everyone can now see what I have been saying all along. You are NOT a police officer. But I didn't need a small test to prove that. Your words have been enough.
Retired/Injured Cop <user3665@aol.com>
Bay Area, CA USA - Sunday, November 21, 1999 at 10:44:19 (MST)


How about TCIC, NCIC, DPS, TCLEOSE?? [sic] Huh? See, I can throw out acronyms too. I guess next you expect me to send you a shoulder patch to prove it,huh? [sic] That way you can bolster your own private collection. WHAT...........EVER. [sic]
Tim <RIR@reallyscrewedinthehead.com>
USA - Sunday, November 21, 1999 at 10:35:18 (MST)
"Tim"----I have said, over and over again, that I will gladly prove who I am. So far, you have not asked. All you have to do is ask. As far as the "poor pitiful me" thing, you're living in a fantasy land. I've never asked for pity---The closest I've come to pity is stating how much I pity Alec. Funny that you would come back calling me pitiful right after I said that about Alec. You keep leaking little clues here and there, which again reinforces to me that you and "Alec" are one in the same. The tone of your comments are almost identical. You've got to remember that you're speaking to a REAL police officer, and I interviewd people and performed complex investigations for a living. Picking this thing out as one big fraud was very easy. But you wouldn't know these things since you were never in the business. For the last 6 to 8 months, you (Alec) have not had one single person back you up with all of the crap on your web page. Not even the cop haters. It looks like you finally had to create someone to make it look like someone is on your side. And you actually had the gall to make that imaginary person's occupation a police officer! Wow---you are definitely one sick dude. As I have already stated (and another cop as well), there is NO WAY that "Tim" is a cop. Any police officer would know that within reading the first 5 sentences of his comments. And he DEFINITELY would not have thrown out a comment about his ORI. If you're gonna throw out acronyms, he are some for you. What do these mean: OCA, DOT, and NIC (and what if the "NIC" thing begins with the letter "M"?). These 3 questions I just gave you are VERY simple, no brainer questions that are valid within the entire USA and Canada. You don't even have to be a cop to know these things---you can take a class at a junior college and learn these. Just for the hell of it, I figured I'd throw out a few of the easy questions to see how you respond. My guess is, you won't have a clue what I'm talking about.
Retired/Injured Cop <user3665@aol.com>
Bay Area, CA USA - Sunday, November 21, 1999 at 09:21:11 (MST)
Alec----Your latest comments are a classic example of the pure hatred that you have towards human beings. It doesn't matter what their occupation is. You are just a very sick man. Not only that, but your generalizations of the comments made by "Almost Retired" are nowhere close to anything he said. The majority of your comments are completely fabricated and made up, as he did not say anything even close to resembling what you believe he said. No wonder you can't communicate with anybody. You see what you want to see, plain and simple.
Retired/Injured Cop <user3665@aol.com>
Bay Area, CA USA - Sunday, November 21, 1999 at 09:09:11 (MST)
Almost Retired---Thanks for the info on the current bills pending for the CCW laws. I'll grab those off the web sites and read them.

Also, congrats on making it so far in your career in one piece! ;) I'll talk with you more off list.
Retired/Injured Cop <user3665@aol.com>
Bay Area, CA USA - Sunday, November 21, 1999 at 09:05:16 (MST)


To you RIR: First of all, you have never offered anyone ANY proof that you truly are an injured officer, so TOUCHE. A real officer would not seek pity by posting a "poor pitiful me, I got hurt doing a job that I knew was dangerous...blah blah blah" statement such as yours and then keep drilling it into the ground and using it as a crutch to gain sympathy. I know who I am, I'm proud of who I am, I'm proud to speak out against losers such as yourself, and I'm proud to be part of the minority group of ethical officers(unlike [sic] [BWAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAA! That's the funniest thing I've seen all month, Tim. Keep it up. --steve] yourself) who are in this job to enforce the law and not to berate and belittle the general public with implied authority. There is no more that I can say to you because you are always right and you must keep your little injured/over inflated [sic] ego fed by making out like you are so much more intelligent then the rest of us. Have a wonderful "Retired" life. Dickhead. P.S. [sic] You are DEAD WRONG about your assertions that I am not who I say I am. As for the "no one likes you" statement, I'm confident that I could beat your ass hands down in an election, [sic] no one likes a whining cry baby like yourself. Go BOO HOO to someone else.
Tim <RIR@sausagesmoker.com>[A wannabe cop who's obviously still in the closet. Just accept who you are, Tim. --steve]
USA - Sunday, November 21, 1999 at 02:45:19 (MST)
R/I/R, it is you and the trash like you such as "Almost Retired," that degrade other people. The degradation comes in the form of the Orwellian punk attitude that you all display and that you all have the unmitigated gall to attempt to pass off as "enlightened, unappreciated, do gooders."

Almost Retired, you can continue crying about how you "protect and defend people, how you are so touched by hurt people, how you do your job so well in spite of being unappreciated, how it is war between you and those who speak out against police brutality and how those, such as myself, who do speak out against police brutality, must be mental." But, it is extremely significant that you consider yourself to be at war with those who speak out against police brutality. Do understand that you and your ilk protect, with extreme mechanical viciousness and with deadly force, a fraudulent court system of attornment that derives from a foreign power, that is completely illegal and that constitutes treason against the people and sovereignty of this country. Your crying is nothing but deceit and fraud to lead people away from the truth of what you and your ilk really are and your unmitigated gall at calling people, who attempt to expose you for what you are, "mental" additional injury on top of the crimes you have already committed. In essence, you and your ilk are traitors against the people and sovereignty of this country.

Personally, I am looking for some real cops that will recognize and protect the rights of the people of this country.
Alec Destry <xode@netzero.net>
South Bay, CA USA - Sunday, November 21, 1999 at 00:24:29 (MST)


I've been sitting in the background for several months reading comments made to this deplorable site. Although it goes against my better judgment to support such a site even by my mere presence, I thought that I might add a few words of wisdom. Retired/Injured--The concealed carry bills will be abundant this year. Check out SB727, SB967, HR218, HR407, HR1192, HR1461, AND HR2122. HR218 still has the greatest chance for passage. Bryan--I know what it feels like to get there too late. I still have visions of two little babies, ages 2 and 4, laying lifeless on the roadway. The youngest had the prettiest blue eyes just staring up into the sky. This was 17 years ago--and you never forget. Their dad was the lucky one, he died 3 weeks later. Their mom is still living the nightmare. Whatever you do, please don't resist any counselling which might be offered. It really does help. Also, seek out the comfort of others who have been involved in traumatic events such as the one which you were involved in. Don't let it win--you still have a long life, and hopefully a long career, ahead of you. Amadi--Thank you for the kind words of support. People generally don't visit this type of site to extend kind words to the police. If more people would follow your lead, perhaps the anti-social deviants who develop these sites would realize that they are wrong. And now for the Tim/Alec/Retired show. Retired--what I am about to say is said with the utmost of respect. I have been very lucky throughout my career. All of the injuries that I have sustained have healed, and if all goes well, I look forward to a normal retirement in a couple of years. I am sorry for your disability I know that unless I wore your shoes, I could never really understand what you are going through. I'll send some information to you off-list. I have to agree with you. After reading several of the comments that Tim has made, there is no way that I will ever believe that he is a police officer. Cops simply don't air their dirty laundry in a public forum such as this one. If a cop had an issue with something that you said, he would seek you out in private. Sorry Tim, but it's obvious to me that you've never had to battle in the trenches. If you had, you would understand. I won't even discuss Alec, since it's obvious to me that he's plain M.O. (that's police talk for 'in need of mental observation' in case you didn't recognize it, Tim). I guess we should prepare for Alec's political novel discussing what a criminal I am for exercising my First Amendment rights. We need to look at what we say on this type of list. It is coming across as cops fighting against cops. If this is the case, then Steve wins. I can see him sitting back now laughing at a number of entries on this list. Don't let him win. Don't feed his desire to trash good cops. Once again, these are my opinions and are not meant to harm or insult anyone (other than Tim and Alec). If you wish to go further with this discussion, I've made up a temporary email address. If I start to receive trash, then I'll simply trash the address.
Almost Retired <CGPD104@aol.com>
USA - Saturday, November 20, 1999 at 23:40:53 (MST)
Alec---I know the chances of you actually answering a direct question are slim, but nonetheless, I will try again.

You said: "what you just accused Tim of is what you are guilty of."

What in the world are you talking about? What specifically did I accuse him of that you think I am also guilty of?

As far as your "closed private club" comment, you really can't see your paranoia or illness can you? You have made this comment about a couple of different occupations now. And they seem to be occupations that have power or authority associated with them. It's quite obvious you do not like people that have occupations with power. That's fine---I'm just making an observation.

By the way, since you seem to believe that "Tim" is a police officer (and that he is "one of the good ones"), when are you going to start accusing him of treason, fraud, and other crimes? Come on Alec----here's your chance. Or are you going to speak out of both sides of your mouth again? (by the way, I like how you copied my phrase there---I'm flattered) After all, Tim is supposedly a currently employed police officer. And I am an injured and retired officer, and you have been giving me non-stop lectures about me not doing all of these things that you think I should be doing. It's time for you to put the same expectations on Tim. And if he doesn't take the action that you think I should have taken, then I expect you to start calling him a traitor and everything else as well. Right now you're probably thinking to yourself, "Oh shit. How am I gonna get out of this corner I've painted myself into?". Well, that's a good question. How are you going to handle this?

I'll be relaxing in my closed private club of police officers if you should need me.......Let's see, it's Saturday night so that means it's movie night at "the club"! Too bad you can't join us, since it's private and everything.....
Retired/Injured Cop <user3665@aol.com>
Bay Area, CA USA - Saturday, November 20, 1999 at 23:34:35 (MST)


Alec----Wow, you are one warped individual. I guess your true colors are really shining through now. Police officer or not, a person that makes fun of and degrades a person that has serious medical problems due to an injury is just a horrible human being. And that's not even taking into consideration all of the other factors involved. You are just a sick, arrogant, selfish, paranoid, selfish individual. I pity you.
Retired/Injured Cop <user3665@aol.com>
Bay Area, CA USA - Saturday, November 20, 1999 at 22:47:11 (MST)
R/I/R, what you just accused Tim of is what you are guilty of. Regarding your assertions that every other "true" cop would support you 100%, that is just another way of saying that you and all other "true" cops, per your definition, are all members of a closed private club that, given your demeanor on this guestbook to date, are enemies of and are waging war against the people of this country. If Tim, as I sincerely hope, is a cop, then that would mean that I have found at least one true cop that serves the people of this country. That is exciting.
Alec Destry <xode@netzero.net>
South Bay, CA USA - Saturday, November 20, 1999 at 21:28:24 (MST)
Tim---First of all, no, I do not have ICQ (whatever that is).

Second of all, you say I am "incredibly hard headed" on this issue. Oh, so you want me to say, "Yes, oh great one, you are a police officer and I NEVER should have doubted your word". Give me a break dude! I have NO REASON to believe you---I have given you 3 different **SAFE** suggestions on how to verify your occupation, yet you refuse to do any of them. The bottom line is this: Any real cop would never speak the words that you are speaking, plain and simple. When a fellow officer gets injured on duty with the seriousness that I was, the response from other cops is 100% different than yours. Of every single person on this Guestbook that has said they are a police officer, I have received an e-mail from them discussing my injury and have received words of encouragement. They always offer me their "ear" because they know how serious it is for a cop to go out early like I did. Not only that, but every single one of them agree with my assesment of "Alec". On the other hand, you Tim (if that's even your real name since you refuse to post an e-mail address, or even a part of the world you are in) have said everything that is totally and completely the opposite of what any true cop would say. I am one thousand percent certain that you are certainly NOT a police officer. Your mindset is not even close to what it takes to be a cop. The only exception is what I already noted earlier. If, by some small exception you somehow sneaked through the checks and balances of the hiring process, the academy, and FTO, then you work in a very small, very insignificant department where your co-workers can't stand you.

I would like to point out one other very important item of circumstantial evidence. I have not pointed out, and I will NOT point out, one extremely important item that you have not mentioned yet. If you were a real cop (and you most definitely are not), there is one thing you would have suggested by now to verify your occupation. And the fact that you have not suggested this speaks VOLUMES to me. Unless you are a police officer, you would never think of doing this one particular item. Even "wannabe's" like you would not be aware of this. So I rest my case. You are either one in the same as our good friend Mr. "Destry" (which as I already pointed out, that name does not exist on the entire west coast of this country, so he is lying about who he is as well), or you are just a very strange man that likes to hang out on anti-police web sites and pretend to be a cop. If you keep your antics to those of Internet stuff only like this, well, then more power to you. Those were are gullable enough to believe what you tell them---that's their problem. But if you carry this into the "real world" life of yours, and you drive around at night with a hand-held red light pulling cars over for the thrill of it, or buy a generic police badge in a uniform store, then you'll get caught soon enough. You guys always are....
Retired/Injured Cop
Bay Area, CA USA - Saturday, November 20, 1999 at 19:32:32 (MST)


Alec, I will visit your site and see what you have to say. Contrary to what the "slightly Koreshy" RIR says, I am truly a police officer. Too bad he has chosen to invalidate all of my test just because he is a complete dickhead and wants to always be right. Hey RIR, why don't I go ahead and give you my home address and phone number while I'm at it? Does the shit in your brains set off metal detectors at the airports? If you had said that your injury was a blow to the head, then i would believe you because your mental state is DEFINITELY altered. If you have ICQ, RIR, I would be happy to chat with you in real time and answer your questions because you are INCREDIBLY HARD HEADED on this issue.
Tim <RIR@analretent.com>
USA - Saturday, November 20, 1999 at 16:25:16 (MST)
Alec (aka: Tim)---Wow, you're a genius! Gee, how long did it take you to figure out that I will never be able to prove that your two are one in the same? I already said that over 2 days ago. Just like Fox News Channel's slogan of "We Report, You Decide" I will copy them here and say that "I reported, You Decide". I laid out the incredible circumstantial evidence showing why I believe what I do. Could I be wrong? Sure I could. But I don't think so.

Hmmmmm, let's see....I admitted that brainwashing police to be like me is a systematic process. Okay, whatever dude. And this, coming from the same person who talks about me and my "cohorts" and my "ilk" being doing something with Citizen Target because he's not running to your defense the last few days, this coming from a person who claims that police are "secret agents", this coming from a person that talks of "courts of attornment", this coming from a person who uses a little-known definition of the word "liberal" and skips all of the primary definitions listed before that in a dictionary (I used Webster's) to further his cause of spreading propaganda and paranoia, this coming from a person who accuses me (and thousands of others) of treason and other crimes, this coming from a person who wants ME to fly to Los Angeles (??) and arrest the former elected District Attorney of LA County, this coming from someone who has one of the strangest and most confusing web pages on the Internet......Okay--you must be right. I guess I did admit to the brainwashing of police. (How did you EVER get to be so misled and confused??)
Retired/Injured Cop <user3665@aol.com>
Bay Area, CA USA - Saturday, November 20, 1999 at 13:55:34 (MST)


R/I/R, you will never be able to "prove" that Tim and I are the same, because I know for a fact that that is false. However, there are not yet enough facts to be able to show the world that your assertion about me being Tim is false. Those kinds of facts show up whenever they show up and when there is enough, that is when I will be able to show the world just one more example of just how far gone you are. Perhaps, it might even be you that provides the facts necessary to prove this latest assertion of yours wrong, just as you admitted to the world that brainwashing police to be like you is a systematic process.

Tim, my website has plenty of links to other people's websites which have multitudes of examples of losers like R/I/R. However, the reason I asked you to check out my website is because of the legal evidence proving ongoing corruption of the money, courts and law in this country. Everyone in this country needs to be made aware of this.
Alec Destry <xode@netzero.net>
South Bay, CA USA - Saturday, November 20, 1999 at 09:40:33 (MST)


Tim---That's right, when you can't possibly make any valid or truthful points about your own stance on a particular topic, go after the person making the points---not the issue itself. It's the same exact technique that "Alec" uses---screw the issues and the questions that are asked---go after me instead to draw attention away from the original point. I don't care if anyone goes after me, calls me names, or whatever floats their boat---go for it. But I WILL NOT lose sight of the original topic in the middle of all of the grandstanding like you are hoping I will.

You are LYING about being a police officer. I don't give a shit if you claim to be Elvis Presley, except when it comes to a discussion such as this. There are many people reading this Guestbook, but keeping quiet, and they may just think that you are who you claim to be. I can't let that happen, because I care about the reputation of my profession. We are a dedicated, hard working, respectable group of people and I don't want anybody for a moment thinking that you are part of such a group. Your ridiculous and lame excuse for not doing a simple verification to back up your claim is enough right there to discredit everything and anything that you might say. You have no creditbility at all now. You can say whatever you want to, and it will fall upon the deaf ears of myself and the many readers of these comments. **IF** you and Alec are indeed two separate people (of which I still have strong doubts), what a sad state of affairs you have placed yourself in by having---of all people---a whacko like Alec on your side. What a great pair you make---I'll call you the "dynamic duo".

Hey "Alec"---You say below that you will "later" be able to PROVE to the world just how far gone I am when all of the FACTS come in. Why wait?? Go ahead and tell the world now---we're all waiting with great anticipation. Geez, I just hope that your "facts and evidence" are better than the garbage you have been referring to for the last 6 months on your web page that makes no sense at all! Oh, and while you are proving to the world how delusional I am, don't forget to include in your package of evidence the information to back up your accusation from yesterday that "Citizen Target" seems to have disappeared and that me and my "ilk" are somehow responsible for his disappearance. Wait---run that by me again---who is delusional?

And finally, to "Tim" (aka: Alec)-----You talk about my "conspiracy theory"? Nice try in copying my previous words about you two characters, but it won't work. First of all, yes, it is a "theory" by my own admission. I never said I was positive or that it was a fact. I also listed some of the reasons why I have this theory (and my mind has not changed on this either). If "Alec" (which I believe may be one in the same as you) has "proof" of this, then show it now---what are you waiting for????

You ("Tim") also have avoided the issues AGAIN. I am not losing sight of this fact in the middle of all of your nonsense. You have many different options for safely proving that you are a police officer. As previously stated, I was very confident that you would not follow through on proving your claims. That's because you're NOT a cop. It is impossible for a police officer with 7 years experience to speak the words that you speak---absolutely, positively impossible. You speak the words of a VERY frustrated person who has been on the opposite side of the law one time too many. I guarantee that. If you continue to insist that you are a cop (which actually, you did not attempt to do in your recent comments which would be highly unusual for a person who actually was what he claimed to be), then you can VERY easily prove that with no risk to yourself at all. You can xerox your ID card and wallet badge onto a piece of paper with department letterhead, and fax it directly to me. Just use "white out" for the city if you don't want me to know where it is. But you see, if you were a cop, I would not have to tell you these things---you would already know exactly what is necessary. You also would not have offered "your" ORI to me, because that is a very obvious thing to anyone that has been arrested before as it goes directly on their booking sheet of which the arrested person receives a copy. So by suggesting that just because you can rattle off a number that is very easily available to most people, I am not impressed. If you want me to give you a quiz offline from this Guestbook, I will do exactly that. I can ask you questions that only a cop would be able to answer. If you want to give that a shot, then give an e-mail address. But there is one strict condition---you have to answer the questions within an hour of me sending them to you. That means you have to give me a date and a time in which you are going to be at your computer. Any cop will be able to answer the handful of questions in a matter of minutes. But if I give you several hours, or even a full day to answer, that just gives you too much time to go and look them up through various resources. Again, I can strongly suggest that you will also turn this offer down as well. If you don't want to answer questions, then just do something VERY simple. I can call you at your PD on the date and time that you state. There would be no need to give me a phone number----I'll just get it from directory assistance since they of course will have the listing for whatever police department it is you claim you work for. But again, you will turn this down as well. The reason for you turning down every single suggestion that I come up with is obvious---you're lying your ass off and misrepresenting yourself. Therefore, everything that you say on this Guestbook is completely invalid and untrue. You can then say whatever you want to me, and I won't respond to it. As a proven liar, there will be no reason for me to say anything to you from that point forward. By the way, my offer still stands on verifying that I am who I claim to be. I have never had any problem with that at all. Unlike you, I've got nothing to hide.
Retired/Injured Cop <user3665@aol.com>
Bay Area, CA USA - Saturday, November 20, 1999 at 02:46:37 (MST)


Whoa!! My My what a short little temper we have. Typical of a badge heavy loser such as yourslef. Here's a little phrase for you to research,"TCLEOSE", look it up. You truly are a paranoid delusional, myself and Alec are two COMPLETELY different people. But then again that wouldn't fit into your "conspiracy theory" would it? Pop another pill and drift off into your own little world of delusions. Psychotic bastard. P.S. - If I could fuck myself, I would never leave the house. Alec,I haven't checked out your site yet, but i plan on it. Any references to psycho losers like RIR that put themselves out as the "heroic officer"??
Tim <RIR@paranoiddelusional.com>
USA - Saturday, November 20, 1999 at 00:16:00 (MST)
Phwat a loser you are, R/I/R! Thank you for showing the world just how quickly you will rush to false and delusional conclusions. All of your "suppositions," and especially your belief that I am "Tim," are completely wrong. But don't let that stop you from believing them anyways. I will simply be able to later prove to the world just how far gone you are, when all of the facts come in to prove just how absurd your "suppositions" here are.
Alec Destry <xode@netzero.net>
South Bay, CA USA - Friday, November 19, 1999 at 23:01:22 (MST)
Tim---You frickin' loser. You are **NOT** a police officer, just as I had guessed. Any true cop would have NO PROBLEM verifying who they are, as I am more than happy to do. And you think I would come and harass you on duty?? Come on---you can think up a better excuse than that. Stop impersonating an officer---you're not doing a good job of it to begin with. What a loser you are. I stick to my original gut instinct, and that "Tim" and "Alec" are one in the same. There are several small things that reveal this, but the biggee is the fact that ALEC answered a question that I asked TIM----classic case of getting caught up in your own lies---just like when REAL police interview a suspect. You better watch out Tim/Alec---you're revealing a little too much about yourself. Now you are taking on an "alter ego" that thinks he's a cop---that just goes to show that you're just a frustrated wannabe cop. You loser. You know, I would have respect for your opinions (even though I don't agree with them) if you didn't lie so much. Your last few posts have been very telling signs of your stress----you're getting all tripped up on what you have said in the past and trying to mesh it with present topics.

Regarding my back injury---what an arrogant ass you are. Let's see, it took 2 surgeons over 10 hours to reconstruct my spine using metal rods, screws, and titanium cages. Yup, I guess you're right. I'm faking the whole thing! I've been going through physical therapy three days a week just trying to WALK again! You are one warped son-of-a-bitch, you know that? What in the hell is wrong with you anyway?

If you're going to stick this claim of being a cop, I have one thing to say to you: fuck you! You piece of shit, trying to make people think you're a cop. You should be ASHAMED of yourself! Thank God we have standards so that sick bastards like you can't get hired on the force.
Retired/Injured Cop <user3665@aol.com>
Bay Area, CA USA - Friday, November 19, 1999 at 16:57:51 (MST)


"Liberal," translated, means traitors to the people and sovereignty of the United States of America and foreign in morals, mentality and spirit to the principles upon which the United States was founded. R/I/R, that means that you and your ilk are classic examples of "liberal."

R/I/R, thank you for admitting to the entire world that brainwashing police to be like you is an ongoing and systematic process in multiple police departments, most notably in the large cities but attempting to continue its spread to the small towns. Funny how it is that the scenarios that you describe are also the tales of horror that people tell about the office politics in "regular employment" settings. In other words, anyone, who doesn't live, breathe, eat and feel the lie that the "United States is the bastion of the free world and everyone must do their part," complete with all of its self-inflicted misery, is immediately singled-out, ostracized and eventually assaulted, either physically or otherwise.

This exactly parallels a news story I read about 10 years ago about a "lay" judge in the very small town of Jarbidge, Nevada being the last of the "lay" judges. By "lay" judge, the news story meant judges that were not members of the various State Bar Associations or of the American Bar Association, which are proven closed and private clubs who, by their very nature and actions, are illegal and treasonous aristocracies.

All of this fits in perfectly with the evidence that I have here, which R/I/R, true to his brainwashing, attempted to fluff off to the readers of this guestbook as "more legalese than I care to read." So, it appears, that in the steady ongoing corruption of the government, that began in earnest in 1933, the police are about 10 years behind the court system in their level of corruption.

Tim, did you check out my website yet?
Alec Destry <xode@netzero.net>
South Bay, CA USA - Friday, November 19, 1999 at 16:56:01 (MST)


That's where you are entirely incorrect, just as many times over. Yeah right, send you an id and copy of a badge so that you can do all sorts of fun things to me while I'm on duty. Or maybe you want my ORI number too.?? No thanks, but thank you for your thought. I was thinking the same thing about you though. IF you are really an officer then you obviously (by all of your blowing of steam and smoke), are one of the badge heavy, authority toting know-it-alls that I despise. I joined this field at the age of 20,(wasn't legally old enough to carry a firearm at the time), and have been in it ever since, and to this day I despise your kind. P.S. Back injury?? Wow those have never been faked by an officer to get a disability check. Congratulations on your original injuries, why I'll bet you're the ONLY one to ever do that.
Tim <RIR@penisleach.com>
USA - Friday, November 19, 1999 at 15:02:21 (MST)
Tim (or Alec)----Well, I'll give you this, at least you got one thing right. Yes, I do have too much time on my hands--I agree with you 100%. Why do I have too much time on my hands? Because I got injured by a suspect while on duty, and have been recovering from major spinal reconstruction surgery. A real cop would not have made the comments that you just made.

As for your claim of being a police officer, there is absolutely NO WAY in hell that you are a cop. I have done nothing but eat, breathe, and live "cop" for most of my life. I know how cops think, I know how cops act, and you most certainly are not a cop. If by some small horrible miracle you are a cop, then it is because of 1 or 2 things. Either 1) You are in a small town in nowhere USA where the biggest event of the decade is somebody's cow getting loose and there are no hiring standards, or 2) You are a nightmare of an officer that co-workers can't stand working with, and they can't wait for you to screw up some more so that you can get fired. However, I stand by my original comment---there is no way you are a police officer. Absolutely, positively, no way. Everything you say, the way you talk, your thinking pattern---it's all completely the opposite of how cops act. I will say this much though, I *ALWAYS* back up what I say with proof. So go ahead---prove it to me that you are a police officer and when I have that proof, I will come back on here and admit that I was wrong. But I can already tell you right now----you won't do it. That's because you're not a cop, and you're a coward hiding behind a computer screen. If you're wondering how you can prove it without giving away your home address or phone number, oh, believe me, there are ways. I'll let you figure a way out of doing it. If you need some help, I'll start you off with some suggestions. The next time you're at the PD, make a xerox copy of your POLICE ID card (including your badge) and put those 2 items on department letterhead. Once you have your badge and ID on department letterhead, send a fax to my home. I will gladly give you my fax number. But like I said, you won't do it. I can already guess right now that you won't, because you're not a cop. I can't wait to hear your excuse why you're not going to do it.
Retired/Injured Cop <user3665@aol.com>
Bay Area, CA USA - Friday, November 19, 1999 at 13:53:59 (MST)


Amandi---Congratulations on turning your life around. You are a role model for people who are in similar situations now as you used to be in. I'm glad you found the LA cops to be helpful to you. I personally don't know any LAPD officers because I'm not from that part of the state, however, I've heard both good and bad stories about them. I'm glad your experiences were positive. Good luck with your endeavors, and again, congrats on not buying into the brainwashing that the liberal media tries to do to people. It goes to show that America is working, and the dream is still alive!!!
Retired/Injured Cop <user3665@aol.com>
Bay Area, CA USA - Friday, November 19, 1999 at 13:42:11 (MST)
Well, R/I/R is not even worth responding to this time. He is making no sense at all now. Be that as it may, onto the meat of this posting. Amadi Lewis, the real problem with the police is that they protect the courts in this country which are completely illegal under the United States Constitution and which routinely deny people their God given rights under the Bill of Rights. Have you ever been in court? These so called courts are a total fraud, and are completely foreign to the morals and principles upon which the United States was founded. The officers of these so called courts, judges and attorneys, complete with their "new age," neo-fascist, Orwellian and high-handed arrogant aristocratic demeanor, are total punks who are completely Godless and who have no God fearing morals whatsoever. Find the evidence of what these judges and attorneys are here. That is the reality of the situation and you won't ever hear anything about that on TV or in the National Enquirer. The world will not end tomorrow, but if these so called courts get their way for much longer, you will most certainly wish that the world had ended tommorrow.

Until the police do their job, quit protecting, and begin arresting these judges and attorneys for the crimes, including treason, that they have committed against the people of this country, the police are going to remain a deadly threat to the people of this country, regardless of their individual good acts on behalf of the people.

Tim, I find it intriguing that you are police and that you see R/I/R for what he really is. I would like you to check out my website here.
Alec Destry <xode@netzero.net>
South Bay, CA USA - Friday, November 19, 1999 at 12:57:06 (MST)


You have too much time on your hands. Get a different hobby. By the way, asshole, I am a police officer and have been so for 7 years. At least I'm not riding the "disability" wagon, what "alleged injury" did you sustain anyway. An inmate beat the shit out of you or something?
Tim <RIR@asswiper.com>
USA - Friday, November 19, 1999 at 10:23:56 (MST)
All of you go and critize the police. The are a very helpful and important entity in this country. Some times you may come a cross a bad cop. But I feel and have seen then do nothing but try to help. I am a African American from the streets of LA and if it were not for the police I would probably still be a homeless junkie if not dead. I've had several run ins with the police and because of that I am clean, have a decent job and raise a family. I hope that all of you anti cops can see past your petty problems and see the realitty of the situation and stop believing everything you hear on TV and what you read in the National Enquierer (spelling). I sure tomorrow the world is going to end.
Amadi Lewis
USA - Friday, November 19, 1999 at 09:46:04 (MST)
I just wanna say Fuck the police!!
Robban <solcigg@hotmail.com>
Halmstd, Sweden - Friday, November 19, 1999 at 05:58:28 (MST)
Alec---your last posting is very funny. Um, you better look through that again to check for mistakes. A lot of your info is not correct. At least make comments that are accurate in what they say I have said or not said. I can't even respond to most of it because of how messed up it is. Try again.

Also, are you (Alec) and you (Tim) one in the same? Of course I will never be able to prove it---that's impossible. But Steve (webmaster) I think can do it by checking the IP address of the person that posted. I know on his main web page it logs the IP address right away. But I don't know enough about computers or the Internet to know how all of that stuff works. But it is interesting the timing of Alec's and Tim's responses to my comments. And how Tim's comments suddenly appeared out of nowhere to slam me for no reason, while at the same time, Alec was quiet. Very interesting.

Well Alec, if you are indeed "Tim", that would certainly explain why you answered a question that I asked him---not you. Or did you get confused and forget which "alias" you were posting the comments under? My question to **TIM** was this:

"What is it about the police that you hate so much? Just curious....."

I find it extremely interesting that YOU chose to answer that question. I wasn't asking you the question Alec---I already know what your answer is. I think you just burned yourself.

Regarding the public record search that I did, I don't really care what you think about it. Obviously it ruffled your feathers a bit didn't it? Is that because I'm finally revealing who is behind that curtain, and it's not really the Wizard after all? Yes Mr. Constitution (who interprets it wrong), your cover is being blown. You didn't expect anyone to do that did you? I wonder what your true reason is for being here. Since I can't imagine anyone actually believing in the words that you write, maybe you do this just for the thrill of arguing. Is that what this is all about? Do you get off on this stuff?

At the end of your comments, you say this: "And my original questions still remain:" Um, what original questions? You mean the two BRAND NEW questions that you just posted tonight? You write that as if you have written these questions before and they have gone unanswered. The people who read this stuff and keep track of it aren't that stupid Alec (or Tim, whichever name you're using tonight). They know that this is the very first time you have asked these questions. Okay, I'll play. I'll answer your questions. Unlike you, I will answer direct questions with direct answers. No wait, let me first answer your questions the way that you answer mine. Here it goes: "You are a satanic spy, and you have the gall to challenge me? A person who is not an attorney but pretends that he is? Even though the Bar Association is a group that I wish I belonged to, but they won't let me in so I trash them instead. The people can see you for who you really are. You are a CRIMINAL and you have commited TREASON against the Constitution. You still haven't arrested OJ Simpson yet, which is further EVIDENCE of your criminal behavior!" There, that's my "Alec style" answer to your questions. Now, I will answer your questions the way most normal people answer them.

Question 1: "What kinds of violent crimes, under color of law and using fabricated "charges" of course, are you contemplating to commit against me right now?"

Answer: What does "under color of law" mean? If you're referring to "under color of authority", it doesn't apply. I am not part of 830 or 832 PC any more. So, in ignoring that part of your question since it's not applicable, I can say with absolute certainty that I am not contemplating ANY violent crimes or acts against you. But you're too stupid to figure that out. Why on earth would I jeopardize my future on somebody like you? Do you think I'm nuts? You're not worth it---as a matter of fact, NOBODY is worth my future. Unless of course you touch my family, then you've placed yourself into a different category. But you can relax Alex (or Tim), you know damn well that I wouldn't do anything to you. I used to enforce the law for a living and take lawbreakers to jail. My morality and ethics haven't changed.

Question 2:"And, have you or your ilk already committed those kinds of crimes against Citizen Target? Citizen Target kept bringing forth a lot of specific and damning evidence against you and your ilk before he disappeared from this guestbook."

Answer: Oh puh-leeeeeze......Are you for real?? How on earth would I have ANY idea what part of the world he is in??? He doesn't post anything at all to give away who he is or where he is. You have such a paranoid mind. He'll be back soon enough. Just because he doesn't come running when you call on him doesn't mean "me and my ilk" have gone and done something with him. You watch too many "X Files" reruns dude.

There---I answered your questions. It would sure be nice if you would answer mine. But I doubt you ever will. You're afraid to, because I ask questions that make too much sense and you don't know how to handle that.
Retired/Injured Cop <user3665@aol.com>
Bay Area, CA USA - Thursday, November 18, 1999 at 23:58:45 (MST)


Milo---I suggest you do some more research to see where my tax free income comes from. It's not taxpayer money. Even if it was, my income when I was working was taxpayer money. That's the business I was in--the local government. Man oh man, you people have such weak comments!
Retired/Injured Cop <user3665@aol.com>
Bay Area, CA USA - Thursday, November 18, 1999 at 23:30:17 (MST)
R/I/R, you are a broken record of criminal behavior, including treason, and of ongoing bad faith against the people you are supposed to serve. You ignore everything that anyone says that doesn't fit with your fraudulent New World Order agenda, keep coming back with the same old garbage and continue to "talk out of both sides of your mouth."

You don't limit your crap to just me. You have pulled your crap on Citizen Target, myself, Tim, Ross, PigKilla, and God knows how many others. Regarding Tim's defense of PigKilla, PigKilla may not be very articulate and may not know how to write good English. But, he is making the same valid point everyone else is making, namely: the police in this country do not serve the people of this country and the people are sick and tired of it! You have said: "What is it about the police that you hate so much? Just curious....." The answer is simple: you, your ilk (other police like you), and the fraudulent court system of attornment that you and your ilk protect with such unprecedented mechanical viciousness. You are truly disgusting and satanic.

Regarding your foolishness that you can simply check public records for me just because you want to, the last time that it appeared that I even came close to stating that I could do the same to you, you pulled your threat of September 25, 1999 on me! So, you claim that you can search public records for me and cause me to feel threatened, and it is not a crime, whereas, if I do the same to you, you claim that that is a crime. The 14th Amendment to the United States Constitution clearly states, amongst other things, "no state shall deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection under the law." And, you have the unmitigated gall to claim that you do not consider yourself to be above the law?

And what about your reply to PigKilla's posting of Wednesday, November 17, 1999 at 16:51:06 (MST)? You didn't try to twist that into looking like a direct threat on your life. But, you most certainly did attempt to twist my statements of September 25, 1999 into looking like a direct threat on your life. The bottom line is: you will target me, or anyone else, who you believe can successfully expose the fraud that calls itself our public government for what it is and who you believe can succeed in getting it eliminated. But, you will simply fluff off and degrade people who you believe to know nothing about and who you believe to be incapable of exposing the fraud that calls itself our public government for what it is. And, you claim to not be attempting to further the fraudulent New World Order?

But, all of this satanism is the way of parasites like yourself. You and your ilk will continue to commit your satanism as long as there are suckers and trash you can use to support it. I am even dead certain that you will come back with a bunch of long winded nonsense specifically designed to confuse the readers of this guestbook and lead them away from the important truths about you I just proved, as part of your attempts to preserve your horde of suckers and trash. Again I say, you are truly disgusting and satanic. And my original questions still remain:

What kinds of violent crimes, under color of law and using fabricated "charges" of course, are you contemplating to commit against me right now?

And, have you or your ilk already committed those kinds of crimes against Citizen Target? Citizen Target kept bringing forth a lot of specific and damning evidence against you and your ilk before he disappeared from this guestbook.


Alec Destry <xode@netzero.net>
South Bay, CA USA - Thursday, November 18, 1999 at 22:00:52 (MST)
Retired/Injured? translated, I get a full tax free retirement pension funded totally by you the taxpayer!!
milo
USA - Thursday, November 18, 1999 at 20:46:13 (MST)
[Below---First paragraph, sentence should have read: "I don't give out my HOME address......"]
Retired/Injured Cop <user3665@aol.com>
Bay Area, CA USA - Thursday, November 18, 1999 at 19:20:11 (MST)
Tim---Two postings in a row from me. I hope it's not too much for you to read. I find it interesting that you, and others, don't even leave an e-mail address that you can be reached at and you won't even say what part of the world you are from. It's easy to anonymously post things isn't it? I don't give out my address, but at least I have offered for at least one person to be flown out to my location (expenses pre-paid) to meet face-to-face and give them an open floor to talk about their views. I have nothing to hide---it looks like you do.

Additionally, what in the hell is this supposed to mean? :

"I know about the drugs because I, unlike you, actually work in the field."

So what? You work in a field where you know about RX meds? What does that have to do with ANYTHING that is being discussed?

People like you are incredible. You defend the indefensible. You take the side of wrong and support the people that are anti-police. Why is that? What is it about the police that you hate so much? Just curious.....
Retired/Injured Cop <user3665@aol.com>
Bay Area, CA USA - Thursday, November 18, 1999 at 19:16:54 (MST)


Tim--I'll keep it short so that you can understand it. You have now charged that I am "once again" wrong in two of your comments. "Once again" implies repeated wrong statements. What else has been wrong?
Retired/Injured Cop <user3665@aol.com>
Bay Area, CA USA - Thursday, November 18, 1999 at 19:08:07 (MST)
And I suppose that telling someone that they are 'trying to act black' is not having a biased view?? Look in the mirror yourself, you BIGGOT. By the way, I know about the drugs because I, unlike you, actually work in the field. P.S. - RESEARCH the issue on CCW, you will find out that once again you are in fact wrong. Please limit the reply, if any, to a couple of sentences, your preaching grows tiresome.
Tim <RIR@wahwahboohoo.com>
USA - Thursday, November 18, 1999 at 17:21:19 (MST)
Tim---You say that "once again" I am behind the times. Care to tell me what other times I was "behind the times", or are you just shooting off comments without anything to back up your statements? And regarding the CCW bill, it is my understanding that my information is correct. However, if I'm wrong on this one, I will admit that I'm wrong. If you would have followed my previous comments and not just assumed something to be a certain way, you would know that I have said many times now that I have learned things from other people on this Guestbook. I have also admitted being wrong in the past, and you are way off on your assesment. I wouldn't call that an "intellectual super power", unless of course you're looking in the mirror. My goal is to correct the wrong information that is put out by different people that have no idea what they're talking about. I'm sick and tired of watching this world fall apart, as well as this country, with everybody cocerned about themselves and nobody else. The few groups of people that are still out there working their asses off to keep a lid on things are constantly getting torn apart in the media, on the internet, and TV shows and movies, in songs, and everywhere you turn. Simple respect has gone out the window and this world is going to shit very quickly. What about bad cops? I've already discussed this MANY times, and I will never support them and they should be arrested and jailed for whatever crime they have committed. I'm not here to defend them, but I am here to defend the truth and do what I can to stop the lies, misconceptions, and miscommunications from being spread.

You ask me why do I think I receive poor treatment from some of you people? Personally, I don't care how you treat me. I'm a cop, so I'm used to being treated like shit. However, I stick with the same rules that I have always lived by. I treat people with the same respect that they give me. If you look back on the comments, you will see who the first person was to make comments and what the tone of those comments were. Mr. "Pig Killa" is the most recent example, but there are plenty of others. If you think I'm going to come back with a respectful answer to someone like that, then you're living in a fantasy world.

As far as your knowledge of psychotic drugs and telling me to look it up in a PDR if I don't know what they are, no thanks---I'll pass on that offer. I do find it interesting however that YOU seem to know a lot about these drugs. Hmmmmm, I wonder why that is?
Retired/Injured Cop <user3665@aol.com>
Bay Area, CA USA - Thursday, November 18, 1999 at 12:39:26 (MST)


Let me see here, how does it go?? Oh yeah!.......... RIR, RIR, RIR...... Once again, you are the one "behind the times". Must have OD'd on too many prescription pills or something. That bill was and has been defeated for a long time, why else would the endorsers of it be mailing out flyers wanting us to contact our senators, etc, and push for it to be re-submitted?? I got one of these, just last week, by the way. As for the other, "arrogant one", take a look at yourself loser, you come off on here like you're some kind of intellectual super-power and degrade everyone else. Why do you think that you receive the same treatment from some of us?? Your long-windedness just verifies your psychosis. Sorry I'm rambling, I'm sure it's time for your Thoraxine. (Look it up in a PDR, IF you know what one is).
Tim <RIR@wannabecop.com>
USA - Thursday, November 18, 1999 at 11:47:16 (MST)
Tim---You're a little behind the times now. Several laws have been changed recently that allow police officers to CCW in other states. There is also a Senate Bill on the floor right now awaiting approval that will allow all officers in all states to carry in all states, without worry about the confusing laws that vary from state to state right now. All indications are that the bill will pass because there have been no objections for it so far.

As far as that kid "shitting in his pants" at the mere mention of my name, um, I don't think so. Number one, he doesn't know my name. And number two, he's too stupid. It is interesting, however, that you jump in out of nowhere to back such an immature, arrogant, loser like that. He's the one who intitiated contact with such disrespectful comments, not me. People receive the same respect and thoughtfulness that they give---it's very simple.
Retired/Injured Cop <user3665@aol.com>
Bay Area, CA USA - Thursday, November 18, 1999 at 09:47:25 (MST)


WOW RIR!! I'll bet he's shitting in his pants now. Why I'll bet that the mere mention of your name has him running for cover. Hope you don't ever go out of state with those weapons because as I'm sure you know, it's still illegal in most states for an out-of-state officer to carry. I didn't think that they let people like you out of the insane asylum though. Hmmmmmm.
Tim <RIR@kaczinsky.com>
USA - Thursday, November 18, 1999 at 06:31:29 (MST)
Hey kid---one more thing. I see you're thinking about "finishing me off". Go for it---I welcome the encounter. And since you think I'm a punk, I guess I better let you know what I look like so you'll know who I am. I'm 6'4" and weigh 287 lbs. I'll let you figure out if that's fat or muscle, you pencil neck geek. Oh, and if my size doesn't stop you (which it might not because you're an idiot), I always carry weapons with me wherever I go. So go for it dude---let's see what you can do.
Retired/Injured Cop
Bay Area, CA USA - Wednesday, November 17, 1999 at 17:41:23 (MST)
Hello Mr. Pig Killer--My, you're getting brave arent' you? It's almost time for your mom to come home from work--you know what she said about spending so much time on the computer. You better turn that thing off and get back to your studies. Because obviously you need them---you don't even know how to spell "killer". But then again, kids your age think it's cool to talk like a black person and say "killa". Either that, or you're copying the lyrics off of one of your rap CD's. Okay---now get back to your homework.
Retired/Injured Cop <user3665@aol.com>
Bay Area, CA USA - Wednesday, November 17, 1999 at 17:35:19 (MST)
I BET SOMEONE SHOT OFF UR DICK AND THATS WHY U SPEND ALL UR TIME SITTIN ON UR ASS AND TYPIN ALL THIS BULL SHIT AINT IT? I SHOULD GO FINISH THE JOB ON UR PUNK ASS.
PIG KILLA
USA - Wednesday, November 17, 1999 at 16:51:06 (MST)
Alec---I just re-read what you wrote and saw something that I did not see the first time around. Why, in the middle of asking why I am checking public records for you, do you ask "Where is Citizen Target"? Are you asking me that question? Or is that just a general question asking where he is to back you up on these things? I don't know what you are saying there. If you're asking me where he is because I have been looking in public records, the answer is--I don't know, and I don't care. I have no problem with Citizen Target. Like I've said before, we disagree on almost everything. So what? He listens to what I say, although he may not agree with me. But at least his listens and provides specific reasons why he disagrees. And I listen to what he says, and provide specific reasons why I agree or disagree with his comments. I don't care if we disagree--so what. But at least he can hole a conversation and be flexible and admit when I make a truthful statement, or say when I make an incorrect statement. But you---oh man, you're just a broken record that keeps referring back to a web page full of unreadable crap. I think you're afraid to answer direct questions with simple, direct answers. Because you know that your views would be shot down and attacked like crazy if you worded it clearly. But by keeping it confusing and disorganized, you just keep people confused by them looking at your web page and saying "Huh"? That's how weak your case is---you can't even answer direct questions.

As to your wondering why I am checking public records for you, the answer is easy---because I want to. That's all the reason you need. Public information is available to the public, and I'm "the public". Plus, I was just curious to see how truthful you were being here about your name and location. And it looks like that's all made up to---just like everything else you say. It's all made up, fake, non-sensical ramblings.
Retired/Injured Cop <user3665@aol.com>
Bay Area, CA USA - Wednesday, November 17, 1999 at 14:41:53 (MST)


Bryan----I'm so sorry to hear about the incident at work. I'm sure you know by now that you did everything possible to try and save that little victim. I also know EXACTLY how you feel, not wanting to receive an award at work when you feel the way that you do. Just know that you're not alone---I went through a very similar experience at a residential structure fire in which one 9 year old girl was saved, but her baby sister was not. The City wanted to hand out awards in that incident as well, and I feel the same way that you do---it's not a time to celebrate things and it's not a time to be accepting awards. That was several years ago, and I have been through all of the stages of feelings that a person goes through following something like this. Just know that you're NOT alone, and there are lots of us out here that felt exactly the same as you do right now. Please contact me at my e-mail address listed here if you want to talk about this thing. I would be happy to tell you about my experience and what the outcome was so that you can see that there really is light at the end of the tunnel. For now, all I can say is, if the PD wants to give you an award, just go ahead and accept it and say "thank you". You may not feel like doing this now and it may seem senseless, but as time goes by and your feelings change over the years, you will be glad that you handled it this way instead of fighting away the people that are trying to recognize you for the brave and selfless act that you did. You are a true hero for what you did. The burns that you received will be a permanent reminder of those few seconds that seemed to happen in slow motion, but that's okay--it really is. Again, please contact me by e-mail and I can discuss things much more openly when I'm not on this list.

As far as Alec and his garbage, well, we're both cops and we know about guys like him. What more can I say?

Good luck with everything, and I mean what I say about contacting me. Please do, and I will also give you my real e-mail address. The one I have listed here is only for this Guestbook so that I don't get bombarded by hate mail on my real e-mail account. And also Bryan, just know that I have received countless e-mails of support and encouragement over the last 6 to 8 months from people who are following this Guestbook closely, but prefer not to say anything in this format. I totally understand that, but it is nice to know that there are so many people out there that support the cops. So even though you don't see them showing up in these comments too often, trust me, they are here and they are watching---and they are behind you a thousand percent and are very proud of what your selfless and brave act. Hang in there my friend...
Retired/Injured Cop <user3665@aol.com>
Bay Area, CA USA - Wednesday, November 17, 1999 at 14:23:18 (MST)


Alec---Well, just as I thought. You're not capable of answering direct questions when they cut to the heart of the matter. You always backtrack into your little corner of basically saying the whole system is corrupt, everyone in it is corrupt, therefore, if you work in the system, then you are guilty of crimes. Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, and wow, are your opinions sure messed up. I'll bet you apply that to everything in life don't you? You are not capable of looking at things on a case by case basis are you? You're not capable of looking at things with an un-biased mind are you? You are so incredibly prejudiced, it's sickening.

And you are such a double-talking, double-standard, hypocritical person it is just unreal. You speak of all of the freedoms that the Constitution gives us, and you extrapolate many more things out of it then I have ever heard before, yet when I exercise my rights and my freedoms as an American Citizen, you go on the defensive and think you're being threatened. What a complete lunatic you are! I can check the public records on any person that I want to. It's my right as a citizen, and it is perfectly legal. That's why the records are public---it's our rights as citizens. Or are you going to pick and choose which rights you like and which rights you don't like? Are you creating your own little private world and your own little private Constitution that applies only to you? You can't do that Alec---you've got to take the whole thing as one package. And if you don't like the fact that there are public records available to the PUBLIC, then that's not my problem. Go complain to your "so called" government.

And of course, you never did give a SPECIFIC answer to ANY of my questions---I knew you wouldn't. It's because you can't---there is no way you possibly could. That's because you know that everything you speak is pure garbage. Do you think that is how law enforcement and the criminal justice system should work in "your world"? Do you think that people can just be charged, at random, for serious felony crimes without providing ANY evidence or ANY specific instances of what they did wrong? Thank God there's nobody like you working in our government at the law enforcement or court level! What do you think the police do when they make an arrest Alec? Do you think we see somebody working for a big corporation, and just because we have our own personal feelings that the corporation is corrupt that we can just pluck out employees at random and tell them that "by the power invested in me, through the interpretations of Alec, i hereby find you guilty of treason" and then throw them in jail? You've got to be kidding me. Your "logic" is so incredibly flawed and lame. No Alec, when people are arrested for a crime, we must write specifically what they did wrong, when they did it, where they did, and make sure the full corpus delecti of the crime was fulfilled (go look it up). For example, as a synopsis, a person being charged would have a summary that reads, "On 11/17,99 at approximately 1255 hours, suspect Alec was seen entering the 7-11 store at 123 Main Street in Anytown, USA. The witness watched the suspect slowly walk around the store, continuously looking around him to see if anybody was watching him. The witness was watching the suspect in one of the store's security mirrors, when he saw the suspect take a bottle of Schlitz Malt Liquor and place it in a pocket located inside the left side of the black trench coat he was wearing. After the suspect walked around the store for about 5 more minutes, the suspect then walked out of the front door of the store passing two open cash registers and made no attempt to pay for the item. Once the suspect was outside the doors of the business, he was detained for petty theft and the police department was called." That is a synopsis Alec---it specifically lists the who, what, where, why, and when of the crime. Your shitty comments basically say that the whole Constitution is not being followed (per your own warped interpretation) and the whole system is corrupt---therefore, I must be guilty of various crimes. What a joke dude. Try a different argument and a different topic. I am just so amazed at how incredibly ignorant you are, and how much little respect you have for citizen's rights.

As far as you thinking I'm threatening you, oh please, you have GOT to be kidding! I welcome you to press charges against me---as a matter of fact, I BEG YOU to press charges against me!!! PLEASE!!! Then it will finally shut you up for a few days while you get arrested for contempt of court (because you will no doubt pull the same crap in court that you pull in here, and no judge will tolerate that behavior), and after that you will be taken on a 72 hour hold at the closest facility for Emergency Psychiatric Services. So PLEASE---press charges against me. Oh, you don't know how much I want you to do that......Oh yeah, you've already got an excuse all ready to go on why you won't. That's right--they're all part of "the big conspiracy" too aren't they?
Retired/Injured Cop <user3665@aol.com>
Bay Area, CA USA - Wednesday, November 17, 1999 at 14:09:21 (MST)


your such a pitful person.Do you think you will ever find a life. MARK TWIAN 'A LITTLE KNOWLEGE IS A DANGEROUS THING'.AND A COWARD
n/a <n/a>
n/a, n/a USA - Wednesday, November 17, 1999 at 13:46:26 (MST)
Bryan, for someone who says that he isn't bitter, you sure do sound inconsistent and hypocritical by calling what I say "nonsensical blatherings!" But, anyways, cutting through all of your nonsense, just visit my site here and thoroughly read every page on it. Then, if you still have a heart that is, you should be able to see the threat to the people of this country that I am talking about. If you don't have a heart, then you will simply "dismiss" my website as "more political garbage." The reality is that the people of this country are even more in need of what you say you are here to do than that little girl was. If you want to see something really scary immediately, then go here. Incidentally, I never said anything about everyone out to get me. That is your delusion.

Regarding R/I/R (Retired Injured Cop), he most certainly does push the fraudulent New World Order and that "United States is the bastion of the free world" crap. I don't believe that he would or could be of benefit to anyone.
Alec Destry <xode@netzero.net>
South Bay, CA USA - Wednesday, November 17, 1999 at 10:47:53 (MST)


R/I/R, I already answered all of your questions, in my previous postings. You simply don't want to hear the answers.

Regarding this statement of yours...

Alec---why do you begin all of your comments with "For the record"? Do you really think you're an attorney? That must be part of your problem---you're a frustrated "wanna be" attorney that could never make the cut. Well, it's quite obvious why you never made it----you have no idea how to interpret even the simplest of statutes. Maybe if you took a class or two, you could understand it. Instead of empty arguments with nothing to back up your statements, you might actually be able to write something that makes legal sense! (Italics added for emphasis).
...your aristocracy mindset is showing up again. Face it, R/I/R. The crap that they call the law of this country, isn't! It is pure treason and is just as corrupt and just as criminal as the court system that created it. The true law of this country, which has been usurped wholesale, is open to and can be applied by anyone, even those people you personally dislike and whom you "disrespect." Furthermore, it isn't the complicated mishmash, needing "interpretation," that we have today. That means that I am as legally competent as anyone else to state: "for the record" and for the same reasons. Regarding being an attorney, I am far too moral and ethical for that. For starters, I refuse to be a member of any of their satanic closed and private clubs (the various State Bar Associations or the American Bar Association).

Finally, why are you checking public records for me? And, where is Citizen Target? You have no business even looking for me. I haven't forgotten your threat to me of September 25, 1999. What kind of armed aggressions under color of law and using fabricated "charges" are you tr