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 Alec Destry (eMail / Homepage

 Sun Jan 16 
21:25:54
2000
For everyone's information, the person I refer to as Burger Boy is the webmaster of this site, otherwise known as Steve Pordon.
 
 Alec Destry (eMail / Homepage

 Sun Jan 16 
19:08:09
2000
Hey, Burger Boy, you most certainly do put on a good act of professing to be against police brutality and the facist system of police we have in this country. However, everyone reading this guestbook needs to realize that you support someone whose ultimate belief is:

"I can tell you from personal experience that if somebody comes to me (as a police officer) ranting and raving like a lunatic, throwing things out like "Constitution" and court cases and other things that you mentioned in your post, I will not really listen to what you are saying. I will basically just hear "blah blah blah blah". I'm not saying that to be dis-respectful, but I am saying this so that you know about human nature and more specifically, the police."

Then, when Citizen Target's evidence is added in, and it becomes obvious that the police who have that ultimate belief just stated above are the police who brutalize people on a routine basis, how can anyone reading this guestbook not believe that you are a fraud!
 
 Civilian/Taxpayer (eMail / Homepage

 Fri Jan 7 
14:05:28
2000
Ross:


I bookmarked the whole don-tiggre site. Geez. Here it is again. in whole:


Liberty Round Table


I think maybe I'll just go out tonight and get shit faced; if I can avoid those dick heads in the black and whites with rocket launchers mounted on the fenders. Second thought, I guess I'll just stay home and get shit faced. That way, I'll be heeding the old adage 'Don't Drink and Duck Rockets'.

 
 Civilian/Taxpayer (eMail / Homepage

 Fri Jan 7 
13:51:59
2000
Ross:


Unbelievable link. It would be funny except it's becoming not only COMMON to be arrested for silly assed shit; but COMMON to be convicted for silly assed shit.


Friend of mine was convicted for 'possession of bomb making materials'. Duh, please explain, occifer ? "... empty bottles, a jug of kerosene, and a box of rags ... oh yes, and we found a used candle in a corner". Duh, gee, occifer, I know about 4 people in the county who don't have those things in their homes. "... yes, but these were all in the same room". Duh, gee, occifer, what room would that be ? "... his garage." Duh, gee, occifer, about 80 per cent of the people in this county use kerosene as a stand by heating source in this county. " ... but they don't store empty bottles, rags, and candles in the same room with their kerosene". Duh, gee, occifer, how do you know these things ? "... they just don't, alright ? Do you want to be arrested for consorting with known felons ?" Duh, gee, occifer, I guess I better stop associating with my neighbors. "... yes, I guess you better".


And now, another endless moment of silence for Officer Desmond Casey ... not just one moment, mind you ... not two ... not three ... but every fucking time you try to access this web site ... week after week ... month after month. [That's for the benefit of people who have never been here before. If you're too dense to look at where the redirect takes you and bookmark that page, that's your problem. Incidentally, I've reduced the refresh time from 20 seconds to 5 now since the story is getting old, which means that you won't have to wait as long if you can't figure out that redirect thing. --steve]


How about ONE fucking moment of silence for the hundreds of unresisting, unarmed suspects, engaged in no criminal activity whatsoever, shot, senselessly, in the back ? [What, the list of murder victims isn't enough? How about my guestbooks, every one of which contains evidence of my obvious hatred for crooked cops? What about my call to execute the murderers? Or did you even look that far? --steve]

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 Ross 

 Fri Jan 7 
13:43:03
2000
Alex Destry ain't as crazy as some people would
like to believe. Although I don't think he's got it
right, there is definitely conspiracy-theory type
stuff actually going on. Read this for some
mentions:

http://home.utah-inter.net/don-tiggre/lrt.dec97.ess
ay.html

You can just read the red stuff, if you want to
skim it or some
 
 Ross 

 Fri Jan 7 
13:25:32
2000
Damn, r/i/c, that's one fuck of a long post. You
should link your stuff to another web site, or
something. Just saying. And no, I'm not going to
read it, as I don't have the time or inclination.
(For all of the stuff here, not just yours...)



R/I/C... you have said that cops have no choice in
what they do and don't enforce. This is a perfect example
of...something. (Hopefully, the link will work this
time, if not, copy and paste.) I don't think that
I'll make any points or anything, people should
just read it.


STEVE, PLEASE post an e-mail address for
me...[legion@copkiller.org. Whatever you're using to post with (I'll have to go look at my logs) seems to be inserting random BR tags in your posts, which might have something to do with them being cut off. I'll look into it. --steve]

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 Civilian/Taxpayer (eMail / Homepage

 Fri Jan 7 
10:09:48
2000
R/I/C


I've read every message on this board since March 1998 when it was referenced by the New York Times.


If you ever post something relevant to the subject matter, I'll read it. Beyond that, my response is simply to scroll past your drivel. Ross is far far more informative than you'll ever be ... even when you limit him to half a paragraph.

 
 Civilian/Taxpayer (eMail / Homepage

 Fri Jan 7 
10:02:04
2000
Ross:


As near as I can figure, some long winded anti-rights activist has decided to bury any messages to/from you by inserting his own off-topic, lengthy, and non-sensical posts.


Interesting that some posters can publish something equivalent to the New York Times; but you're limited to 1/2 paragraph.


Such is life on the official Officer Desmond Casey Cops Are Wonderful Web Site.

 
 Retired/Injured Cop (eMail

 Fri Jan 7 
01:10:15
2000
To Civilian Taxpayer: In regards to your comment about the "crappy poem", I take issue with your comment that it has been posted 100 times so far. I have been active on this message board for almost a year now, and this is the very first time that it has appeared. Also, I have looked at the older message boards that are archived on this web site and I do not see it anywhere in there. I have seen some poems posted, but I have never seen this particular one. If I had seen it here before, I certainly would not post it again. I have also seen the poems that have been posted, and a short time later they are gone due to being removed by the webmaster. I also recall seeing one poem that was posted, and the words were changed in it to reflect pretty much the opposite meaning of what the poem was meant to say. The webmaster said that he changed the words around because he had seen the same thing posted so many times. So if you think this poem is crappy, that's fine with me---thank God it's a free country for us to write and speak what we believe. Your freedom to call it crappy is just as valid as my freedom to post it. I have not seen you contribute anything significant to this board since I have been here, and if I recall correctly, I have not seen your "name" listed in the archived message boards either. Again, that is fine with me and I don't care what you do or do not do. However, it seems rather hypocritical to complain about the content of this web site and this message board when you yourself have nothing to contribute so far.

Regarding your comment to Ross about getting cut off because he has something relating to the subject matter, I also take issue with that statement as well. Take a good look at all of the things that are said on this board. Those messages, including the crazy and stupid ones, are not cut off. They are left on here just like they all are. Once in a while, a juvenile will post a message over and over again to be "funny" and then the webmaster will remove those messages and leave a message stating such. If you look at the posts that Ross is leaving, his message is not being deleted. Something is wrong on his end that is causing the connection to be terminated or is not allowing a certain number of characters to come through since his message is always cut off mid-sentence or right in the middle of a word. To clarify another idea that you hinted at, I am not backing up the webmaster either. I am simply stating obvious facts that you are choosing to overlook. If you have something to say about a topic relating to this web site, then just say it. If you would like to prove to yourself that Ross's words are indeed not being cut off by the webmaster, then tell Ross to email his messages to you and then you can post them yourself on the board and you will see that the full message will make it. I will even extend the invitation to Ross myself that he is more than welcome to send his comments for the board to me, and i will copy and paste them onto the board for him. It is a technical problem between Ross's computer or his ISP and this web site. There is no sinister plot going on to keep his words off the page. Again, this is a common problem that I continue to run into with anti-law enforcement people. I can not find anyone who is willing to discuss their concerns as rational adults. Instead, it always results in finger pointing followed by ridiculous allegations of something or another. I guess that means that most of these types of people have no desire to communicate and attempt to iron out the issues and make things better. They feel complaining is much better and do not want to see any improvements made in the system.

And finally, your comment about this web site being nothing but a "cops are wonderful" site and a memorial to Officer Desmond Casey who was my friend, I must also make some comments about this. First of all, how can you say with a straight face those comments? Look at this web site and how many anti-cop links and comments there are. Just because there is ONE item that pays respects to a true hero is enough to ruffle your feathers into thinking this entire web site is dedicated to "cops are wonderful? What color is the sky on your planet? I again go back to what I said a few moments ago, and that is simply that the anti-cop people want things to remain that way. They do not want to make improvements or improve communications between law enforcement and non-law enforcement personnel. They are much happier being unhappy at everything, and when something positive happens to change that, they get all bent out of shape and upset because suddenly progress is being made and they don't like that. After all, what can the complain about if things are fixed? Not that the relationship problem between cops and non-cops will ever be perfect, because it absolutely will not be--ever. It's the nature of the job. Any job that has the power of arrest and interrupt someone's life by a simple speeding ticket or a serious felony arrest is enough to create friction---regardless of the fact that the officer is 100% correct and a clear law violation has been made. These are just things that come with the territory and can not be addressed very well. If people are immature enough to not accept responsibility for their own behavior and action, that is something that can not be handled at the law enforcement level. That is something where the particular person must someday come clean with themselves and grow up and be a man (or a responsible, adult woman). If they are going to complain about getting arrested because they burglarized a home, that's something I won't even discuss because it's so ridiculous. However, when talking about police brutality, corruption, cover-ups, and the like, those are topics that can be improved upon and talked about---and not just bitched about. There ARE solutions to these things. I have found that a lot of alleged police brutality issues are not issues of brutality at all. Instead, they are clearly misunderstandings on the part of the citizen who is only getting selected chunks of information from a very biased news media. The media does this on purpose to stir people up and create excitement--because it's good for ratings and it makes them $$$$$. It's a shame that there are so many "sheeple" (combo of sheep and people) that just follow the rest of the crowd and can not think for themselves. Now I am NOT saying that police brutality does not occur---it certainly does. And when it does happen, it must be exposed and the responsible officer(s) must answer for what they did in a court of law---just like any other person accused of a crime. Everyone is innocent until proven guilty, and most people are very clear on this concept until they hear about something on the news where they are only getting little snippets of information. In those cases, people have tried and convicted the officer without even knowing what the facts are. The things that reporters talk about on the news are not "facts". Reporters are not held to any legal standard on reporting specific things at incidents. They get away with so much it should be criminal. I am speaking from personal experience with the things I have witnessed over the years. If I was not there myself to see what happened or if i was not in law enforcement to learn the facts myself, I would feel the same as a lot of cop haters---I'm certain that I would. The news media has a lot of power to pursuade people to think a certain way and it's a shame that so many peole have given in to their power. People don't think for themselves any more, and they just walk around like sheeple from one thing to the next. It's a classic case of the dumbing of America. I welcome any comments.
 
 Michael Novick (eMail / Homepage

 Wed Jan 5 
22:55:30
2000
Terrific website. I maintain an e-mail list of cases of police killings, beatings, shootings, racism, sexism and other forms of criminality and corruption, political espionage and counter-insurgency, militarization, etc. The problem is not just police misconduct, but police conduct, which is designed to maintain exploitation and oppression. If you like, I can add you to the distribution list of "stop-polabuse" or you can subscribe yourself at the website mentioned above.
Please publicize the list on your page or add a link. There is a searchable database at the site, with nearly 2000 cases since the list went to the egroups format last year.

Michael Novick,
People Against Racist Terror
PO Box 1055
Culver City CA 90232
310-495-0299
part2001@usa.net
www.egroups.com/group/stop-polabuse
 
 Civilian/Taxpayer (eMail / Homepage

 Wed Jan 5 
21:42:02
2000
Ross:


You're being purposely cut-off. If it's important or related to the subject matter, it gets ripped. or the poster gets banned. [Wrong. Ross is using Internet Exploder on a Mac PPC, which seems to be what's messing up his posts. Ross, Please try one post with another browser or machine and see if it helps. By the way, I ban people who sound like broken records and have nothing to contribute. As I've said, start your own anti-cop site if you don't like the way I run mine. --steve]


Steve's not running the site anymore. Case in point, that crappy poem below your message has been posted about 100 times so far. Steve always got tired of seeing it and deleted it. [Done. You seem to be oblivious to the fact that I haven't been around here in some time. Or did the fact that the site was inaccessible for at least a week elude you? Of course I wasn't running the site--no one was. That's what happens when you have to take care of real-life matters. --steve]


For now, I guess we have to accept that this is the official Officer Desmond Casey Memorial Web Site with nothing but 'cops are wonderful' crap. [Perhaps you'd be so kind as to point out any evidence of "cops are wonderful" here. Thanks in advance. --steve]


The site no longer has anything to do with cops shooting unarmed, unresisting, young persons in the back. As far as the 'cops are wonderful' crowd is concerned, none of that ever happened; happens; or will happen.


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 Ross 

 Wed Jan 5 
15:27:10
2000
Heh, Steve, can you give me an e-mail address that
I can contact you at? Now, I'm going to just type
stuff here, so the important stuff doesn't get
chopped off. Firefighters are better than cops. Nah
nah. I guess that's enough so that it won't get cut
o
 
 Retired/Injured Cop (eMail

 Tue Jan 4 
23:20:17
2000
This is a poem I came across that I thought would be nice to post here. You don't have to agree with it or love it or hate it---it's just there to take it as you see fit. Thanks.
-------------------------
"Just a Cop"

[Snip]

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 Retired/Injured Cop (eMail

 Fri Dec 31 
21:30:05
1999
Happy New Year everybody! Let's hope for a healthy and safe 2000 for everyone around the world. And I hope we can all get along better, be more tolerant of each other, and make this a better place to live for all.
 
 Pete Peterson (eMail / Homepage

 Wed Dec 29 
21:45:48
1999
Ross:


We are the Mapultians, the Malputians, the Lilliputians ... one for all ... all for one ... what's mine is mine and what's yours is mine too.


Your friend and leader of the world,


Pete



 
 Ross 

 Wed Dec 29 
11:32:10
1999
Heh Pete Pete, sorry, Mapultians will be taking
over the world. ;P


Should be of interest to visitors: href="http://www.salon.com/news/feature/1999/12/29/
jamal/index2.html">an article
about Mumia Abu
Jamal (Wesley Cook), which I feel is nicely
balanced. Heh, whether or not he killed Faulkner
(sp?)... he should still get a fair trial.


Blue-haired Steve: yeah, I know. Reaction to your
hair is just one symptom of anal-retentive,
fascist, "conservative" assholes thinking that
everybody should be like them... I hope to have my
hair died bright red, soon. Can't wait.


Runs-this-web-site-steve: do you have a place that
I could e-mail you at? Oh, and thanks for mirrorin

 
 Pete Peterson (eMail / Homepage

 Tue Dec 28 
05:35:39
1999
Whats all this negative opinion on the New World Order ?


We are a very benevolent and philanthropic group of gentlemen from all over the world. Sure, we're going to take over, but it'll be for the best ... trust me.


Meanwhile, view a list of some of our members, many of whom are in all three organizations; the Council on Foreign Relations (only walking distance from the White House [about 100 yards] ... nice view of the White House, too), the Trilateral Commission, and the Bilderbergers.


New World Order members from the US of A


... and be nice to these policeman; they work for us. Sure, they shoot and kill a few innocent civilians now and then, but overall, they're a pretty good bunch. Remember, target practice at the range is nice; but every now and then you have to go out and kill a few people just to keep your hand in. Consider it a good investment in the New World Order.


Your friend and leader of the world,

Pete G. Peterson

Chairman of the Council on Foreign Relations

58 East 68th Street

New York, New York, it's a wonderful town.

(212)734-0400


Our membership includes POTUS William Clinton, VPOTUS Al Gore, Richard Thornburgh, former US Attorney General, now Assistant Secretary for the Administration of the United Nations, and Anthony Lake, National Security Advisor.


Trust us, your fate is in good hands.

 
 Steve (eMail

 Sun Dec 26 
01:10:14
1999
I think I love your site. It makes so many good points. I just wanted to point out another minority that gets lotsa shit, the punx. Alot of people don't realize it, but having blue hair is not a crime. It's expressing yourself, and last i checked, thats a right. i shouldn't have to change it to feel safe from the people sworn to protect me!
Thanx

 
 Civilian/Taxpayer (eMail / Homepage

 Sat Dec 25 
10:08:15
1999
New York Santa Claus was slain early this morning in a hail
of gunfire by NYPD officers acting on a tip from the Air
National Guard who had been monitoring Santa through NORAD.
When Santa stopped to water his reindeer in Central Park,
police closed in ordering Santa to cease and desist. The
suspect failed to comply and just uttered " ... ho, ho, ho",
in total disrespect for officers at the scene. One officer,
who wished to remain anonymous, noted that " ... what appeared
to be an obviously emotionally disturbed person wearing a
non-descript and out of fashion red suit, suddenly and without
warning, reached into a large sack". Officers opened fire and
in less than a minute, discharged over 170 rounds, 8 of which
struck Santa in the head and 8 of which struck Santa in the
ass. The sleigh the suspect was hiding in literally
disintegrated on impact of the other 154 rounds.

The SWAT team was ordered in to overcome the rioting reindeer
who officers said appeared to be firing rounds back at them.
The popping sounds were later determined to be reindeer farts
in obvious violation of Park air pollution rules. The reindeer
were quickly suppressed with several minutes of SWAT gunfire
totaling 1349 rounds. The carcasses were sent to a local
butcher to see if any meat could be salvaged. Early reports
indicate 1 pound 4 ounces was determined useful for culinary
purposes. The remains of Santa Claus will be sent to the
Guiliani residence for New Years dinner and the remains of the
reindeer will be interred in potters' field.

 
 Alec Destry (eMail / Homepage

 Wed Dec 22 
13:24:47
1999
Pro Cop, in response to your posting of Tue Dec 21 23:09:36 1999, I definitely agree with what you are saying. But, more needs to be said on the topic you brought up in that message than what you said there. Please allow me to point out a few additional and completely essential points:

That "new generation of a politically correct regime," otherwise known as the fraudulent New World Order, is complete treason against the people and sovereignty of this country and the ultimate perpetrators of that treason, as well as their agents such as judges and attorneys, can legally be prosecuted as the traitors that they are.


That "weak D.A. prosecuting you for defending your own" is a perfect example of the agents of that treason I just described. Such trash definitely need to be prosecuted for their crimes.


Everyone who cares about the United States, what it has become, and where it is headed needs to immediately begin seeking out and getting the assistance of those "old school cops" you referred to in your posting of Tue Dec 21 23:09:36 1999, so that the traitors I referred to above, can be prosecuted for their treason. If you personally know any of those "old school cops," please let me know immediately and please email me directly, considering that the webmaster of this page is the loser that he is. The email address that I have provided above is valid.


Remember, evil prevails when good people do nothing. Hope to hear from you soon.
 
 Pro Cop 

 Tue Dec 21 
23:09:36
1999
To Alec Destry:

You got me there. But the old school cops would have agreed with your actions, as I do. The problem is, we are in the midst of a new generation of a politically correct regime. That is, to be a good citizen, you have to be a good victim. New recruits are taught this drivel, and the rest is history. I miss the good ol days, when your house was your castle, and you didn't have to worry about some weak D.A. prosecuting you for defending your own. I don't have a problem with cops, but I think that most of the time, their job is to draw the chalk outline around your body. Meanwhile, the "militant loser" is off doing the same evil deeds. I hate to admit it, but you were right in that regard
 
 Alec Destry (eMail / Homepage

 Tue Dec 21 
19:34:20
1999
Almost Retarded, funny how you can't refute my evidence. Instead, you also resort to vulgarity, just like R/I/R. No doubt, this is the way you treat the people in your community. Heaven help them!
 
 Almost Retired (eMail

 Tue Dec 21 
19:15:26
1999
Alec---Talk about shit for brains. No need to say more.
 
 Alec Destry (eMail / Homepage

 Mon Dec 20 
22:57:33
1999
Peter, in your posting of Mon Dec 20 20:28:40 1999, you gave a link to a "good cops" page. I will take a look at it. I hope that that webpage leads me to some good cops, because all of us need those good cops now more than ever.


For example, did you know that the courts in this country have decided that the police are not even legally obligated to protect the people of this country? Read all about it here. Considering that the government in this country is supposed to belong to and serve the people of this country, those court decisions are treason. My question is: who will protect the people of this country from those traitors masquerading as judges and attorneys? Will those good cops shown on your page be the ones? The people of this country could sure use a break like that!

 
 Alec Destry (eMail / Homepage

 Mon Dec 20 
22:34:21
1999
So R/I/R's ego finally shows through. Funny how he can't refute the Rampart scandal and has to instead resort to vulgarity. It isn't the first time that he has done this. I suspect that a lot of people reading this webpage do pay attention to what I post here. That is why R/I/R is so vicious in his attacks against me.


As far as his demanding that I leave this webpage, I have as much right to post here as anyone else. But of course, freedom of speech means nothing to R/I/R when the person in question doesn't go along with his charade. For that matter, people's God given rights mean nothing to R/I/R either.


But, R/I/R did accidently hit on one truth. How he feels about me being on this webpage is how I feel about him, and all of the criminals, such as judges and attorneys, that he protects, being in my country (i.e. my home). My home, and that of the rest of the people of this country, has been invaded and conquered by Orwellian punks such as himself. Then, he adds insult to injury by spouting off vulgarity to me when I demand my God given rights. But, such is the way of Orwellian punks.

 
 Peter (eMail

 Mon Dec 20 
20:28:40
1999
I'm a law enforcement student up here frozen-ass Minnesota. You wanted links for "good cops". I strongly suggest you add http://www.odmp.org and read the stories of hundreds of police officers who've died in the line of duty protecting all our asses.
 
 Retired/Injured Copo (eMail

 Mon Dec 20 
17:15:45
1999
I always strive to remain above the selfish, arrogant, and "lowness" of pukes like Alec. But in this one specific case, I just can't hold back any more. I apologize in advance to the other people reading this.

Alec, FUCK YOU! You are the biggest piece of shit, the biggest fucking coward, the lowest of the low-lifes, the scummiest of the scum of the earth, the MOST insane of the insane people I have ever dealt with. Your mind is so warped, you views of reality so twisted, you are a SICK FUCK! But the good news is, your day will come. I am a firm believer in "what goes around, comes around" because I have seen it happen so many times. I can't believe what an asshole you are. Go ahead you sick fuck of a psychotic loser----cut and paste what I'm saying here and repeat it six thousand times in the future by saying "Lest we forget what R/I/R stated on the 359th day of the year at 1553 hours Pacific Standard Time blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah!". You are SICK! You deserve what's coming to you fucking loser! I just read a confidential newsletter today that describes people like you and it confirms what I have already known--you are dangerous. You think getting pulled over by the police for expired registration is a big government plot and cospiracy that is out to get you. That's because you are SICK! Get the fuck off this web page--NOBODY talks to you except me. GET A CLUE YOU PIECE OF SHIT! Have you ever wondered WHY I'm the ONLY person to talk to you???? Because I thought maybe, just maybe, I could get through to you. Stupid thinking on my part. VERY STUPID thinking on my part! I'm not responding to ANYTHING you say any more. I've reached my boiling point, and I don't give a fuck. You can quote a hundred previous things I said, point out what a big fucking criminal I am, point out how I'm part of your dilusional "New World Order"---I DON'T CARE! You are a sick fucker that needs help---desparately. So go back and climb into your 1976 Ford Maverick that is filthy dirty, filled with garbage and candy wrappers and empty fast food wrappers, Big Gulp cups, old newspapers, and all sorts of other shit. Go to your low-life blue collar job where you contribute NOTHING to society and you're just a big leech off society. Go hide away in your sick little apartment that you can barely afford to pay rent for where you have NO FRIENDS and your neighbors can't stand you---and you sit there by yourself and pretend that you've got this whole government conspiracy thing figured out. Go ahead---enjoy yourself being all alone with nobody around you. One of these days you may wake up and realize what an asshole you are, and what a waste you have made of the precious gift of life. But until then, fuck you. I am so sick of hearing your conspiracy shit, your made up "facts", you psychotic comments, and all of the other bullshit that you spew. Why don't you try to get a fucking life???? Then maybe all of this stuff that you're so addicted to will fall by the wayside where it belongs? For crying out loud you are the SICKEST son of a bitch I have ever run into. And when the day comes that you actually NEED the police, the fire department, or the paramedics--they will come to your call for assistance because they are REAL human beings that CARE and that are there to help people----even the sick fucks like you. One of these days you may figure that out, but I doubt it. You'll still sit there and have the nerve to call the rescuers part of a new world order or part of a conspiracy or part of a fraudulent money system---would you get a life???? Man you are one annoying little jerk, you know that? You are a uselss pimple on society's ass. It doesn't have to be that way---you have the power to change that at any time. But you're to SICK to realize that. Fuck you "Alec"--even though that's not your real name because you're too much of a coward to list anything REAL about yourself. What a fucking loser you are......

And go ahead and respond to this and talk about how this is "the real R/I/R" and whatever other crap you want to make up--I DON'T CARE! And here's a news bulletin for you---nobody else does either! I tried for 8 months to get through to you by listing fact after fact. But you always responded with your psychotic drivel that I still find hard to believe that you actually believe the things that you say. How can anyone believe that crap? The answer is simple: you're mentally ill. That's the only logical conclusion to be reached. So now it's your turn loser---go ahead and post a LONG response to this, copying and pasting the things that I have said and make your stupid little comments about it. Go ahead---I'm not going to read it. ANYTHING that says "Alec" on it, I am now skipping over and want nothing to do with it. You don't exist any more as far as I'm concerned. I tried and I tried and I tried---but without professional counseling and medication, I should have known that I couldn't get through to you. Have a nice life loser.

To the others that had to read the above statement--again, I apologize. I simply have reached my boiling point with that mental patient and I had to end it. I gave it my best shot many times to help him see reality, but he wants no part of it. His comments about me and others and the work we have done and the lives that we have saved is where he crossed the line for me. I know what I have done, as do the people whose lives I have touched. A loser like whatever-his-name-really-is does not understand the concept of honor or integrity, or putting one's life in danger to save a stranger. He never will, and it took me longer to realize that then it should have. Again, I apologize to those reading this for the vulagrity that was used in my comments above.
 
 Alec Destry (eMail / Homepage

 Mon Dec 20 
12:33:06
1999
R/I/R sarcastically said:

"Almost Retired---What should we do now? Neither of us are qualified to be police officers. Does that mean all of the people we arrested should be released from prison? All of the tickets we have written dismissed? All of the people we have assited and the lives we have saved, should those people now be dead? The salary that we have earned we have to give back? Wow, this really created problems for us doesn't it? We're just a bunch of punks--I feel so bad now."

First, regarding the Los Angeles Police Department Rampart Division scandal, per Gil Garcetti, the current Los Angeles County District Attorney, about 150 people so far have been released from prison because they had been framed by corrupt police officers and Mr. Garcetti said that as many as 3100 cases would need to be reviewed. That is just one division of one city police department. If that one corrupt police department is representative of police all across the country, almost certain considering that the temptation to get free drugs, property, etc., without fear of reprisal, is too great for many people, then, how many people across the country are illegally in prison because they had been framed by the police? So, perhaps R/I/R is correct, even though he said it sarcastically, that the people who he put in prison should be released and never should have been there in the first place.


As far as the tickets go, they should all be dismissed. It is common knowledge that tickets are big business and revenue, and that protection of the people has nothing to do with the writing of tickets. As I said before, the entire practice of writing tickets is part of the fraudulent New World Order and needs to be eliminated immediately.


Regarding the people R/I/R supposedly assisted and the lives he supposedly saved, that doesn't begin to offset the fact that he is part of and that he is protecting a system that is waging war against the people of this country. In other words, R/I/R is causing harm to a lot more people than he is supposedly assisting and saving. Then R/I/R said: "All of the people we have assited and the lives we have saved, should those people now be dead?" Sounds like a statement that a punk who has taken hostages would make.


As far as the "salary" is concerned, R/I/R certainly has nothing of it "to give back." My position is: keep the "salary," and remove himself, and the fraudulent New World Order he is a part of, away from the people of this country, so that they can have a life.


As R/I/R said: "We're just a bunch of punks--I feel so bad now." R/I/R and all of the trash like him are definitely a bunch of punks. But I am certain that he doesn't "feel bad" at all, because, after all, he is a punk.

 
 Retired/Injured Cop (eMail

 Mon Dec 20 
09:05:09
1999
Almost Retired---What should we do now? Neither of us are qualified to be police officers. Does that mean all of the people we arrested should be released from prison? All of the tickets we have written dismissed? All of the people we have assited and the lives we have saved, should those people now be dead? The salary that we have earned we have to give back? Wow, this really created problems for us doesn't it? We're just a bunch of punks--I feel so bad now.

Alec---You are the biggest nut I've ever heard. Your conclusions are so warped and your thought process is so incredibly wrong. I can't imagine ANYONE having such a strong stance on such ridiculous things as you have. I have to wonder if you are doing this on purpose, because I find it hard to believe that someone out there actually thinks like you do. Is that what you're doing? Are you coming up with all of this nutty stuff just to keep people like me arguing with you? Because that is the only thing that makes sense when I look at the overall picture. If you have been clever enough to fake all of this to keep me going, then I will offer my congrats to you for pulling the wool over my eyes for so long. If that's NOT what you are doing and you really are serious about the things that you say, then you are just so far gone off the deep end that it's almost unreal. Which one is it?
 
 Alec Destry (eMail / Homepage

 Mon Dec 20 
01:47:45
1999
Almost Retarded, you said: "who am I to evaluate?" Now, you have the unmitigated gall to label me "paranoid schizophrenic." The money in this country is provably fraud, pure and simple. Yet, you have the nerve to refer to it as "alledged fraud." Basically, you are what I said you are: an Orwellian punk. You are certainly not qualified to be a law enforcement officer. It is high time that everyone realize that fact as well.
 
 Almost Retired (eMail

 Sun Dec 19 
21:28:49
1999
It sure does seem strange that I am swamped with trash email messages each time I post a message to this board. I'm glad that I use this screen name for this site only. Don't bother sending them any more, I now delete without reading.
 
 Almost Retired (eMail

 Sun Dec 19 
21:14:15
1999
Alec---Just what the hell are you talking about this time? I was referring to your schizophrenic paranoia, not the alleged fraudulent money system of the country. Chill-out...........
 
 Retired/Injured Cop (eMail

 Sun Dec 19 
04:40:13
1999
Dear Mr./Mrs. Citizen

Well, I guess you have figured me out. I seem to fit neatly into the category you place me in. I'm stereotyped,characterized, standardized, classified, grouped, and always typical. I am the lousy cop.

Unfortunately, the reverse isn't true. I can never figure you out. From birth you teach your children that I am a person to beware of. Then, you are shocked when they identify me with my traditional enemy....The criminal.

You accuse me of coddling juveniles, until I catch your kid doing something wrong.

You take an hour lunch, and several coffee breaks each day, then, point me out as a loafer if you see me have just one cup.

You pride yourself on your polished manners, but think nothing of interrupting my meals at noon with your troubles.

You raise hell about the guy who cuts you off in traffic, but, let me catch you doing the same thing, and all of a sudden I am picking on you.

You know ALL the traffic laws, but, never got one single ticket you deserved.

You shout "Abuse of Authority" if you see me driving fast to an emergency call, but raise 9 kinds of hell if I take more than 30 seconds responding to yours.

You call it "Part of my job" if someone hits me, but yell "Police brutality" if I strike back.

You would never think of telling your dentist how to pull a badly decayed tooth, or your doctor how to take out your appendix, but, you are ALWAYS willing to give me pointers on how to be a police officer.

You talk to me in a manner, and use language that would assure a bloody nose from anyone else, but, you expect me to stand there and take your verbal abuse without batting an eye.

You cry, "Something has to be done about crime", but you cant be bothered to get involved.

You have no use for me what so ever, but of course, it's OK for me to change a tire for your wife, or deliver your baby in the back seat of my patrol car enroute to the hospital, or, save your sons life with CPR and mouth to mouth resuscitation, or even forsake time with MY family working long hours overtime trying to find your lost daughter.

So, dear citizen, you stand there on your soapbox and rant and rave about the way I do my job, calling me every name in the book, but, never stop a minute to think that your property, your family, and maybe your life might someday depend on one thing......Me.

Respectfully,
A Lousy Cop
 
 Retired/Injured Cop (eMail

 Sun Dec 19 
04:24:36
1999
Back to the same speeches again eh? No matter what, it always comes back to the fraudulent money system, etc, etc.....Un-frickin-believeable. Oops, I forgot to knock on the door before I posted this message. After all, this web page is "so-called Alec's" home.
 
 Alec Destry (eMail / Homepage

 Sun Dec 19 
00:48:07
1999
Almost Retired stated: "But who am I to evaluate. In the words of a very wealthy man, 'Can't we all just get along.'"


Indeed, that would be just awesome at this point. But, it will never happen until ugly bullying liars, thieves, traitors, spies, saboteurs, and trash like R/I/R that attempt to protect them, butt their ugly noses out of people's lives and allow people to have a life.


That means:


Throw out the fraudulent money system in this country and eliminate all of the contrived expenses that derive from it. This includes bank payments and the income tax.


Eliminate the fraudulent courts and the aristocracies (State Bar and American Bar Associations) that control them.


Throw away all of the corporate policy, including all revenue collecting such as so called vehicle registration, that those courts, and that corrupt legislatures and a corrupt Congress, have created.


 
 Almost Retired (eMail

 Sat Dec 18 
08:33:01
1999
Alec stated,

"You are simply reacting as if I am being vague in the desperate hope that the people reading this guesbook will think that I am "whacko, crazy, etc," despite the evidence that I have brought forth, thus, further demonstrating to everyone your punk attitude."

Sounds like schizophrenic paranoia to me. But who am I to evaluate. In the words of a very wealthy man, "Can't we all just get along."
 
 Retired/Injured Cop (eMail

 Sat Dec 18 
02:38:18
1999
Who is doing the "squirming and fibbing"? Hmmm....Who is using the large, bold text and getting all excited. Well, that's what I like about you Alec---you keep me going. It's like a soap opera, but better. I can't buy entertainment this good!

So now, I'll go ahead and play along. I see what you're doing, and that's okay by me. You are purposely mis-stating things to get me to respond. Because you know darn well that if you didn't do that, I wouldn't say anything. And since nobody else will respond to your comments because they know you're a broken record that makes absolutely no sense a good 90% of the time, you continue to do these things to keep the arguments going. The only thing I can say about all of that is that it's too bad that nothing productive can be had out of all of these conversations. It's interesting to watch your response and your comments to people that you THINK are on "your side", but if one of them suddenly says something to me other than "you're a traitor!", you go ballistic. Here's a little clue that might help you out in life Alec---The people that I strongly disagree with (just to name a few, "Citizen Target" and Steve--the web page guy) have kept open minds, just as I have. I don't have tunnel vision, and neither do they. We definitely do not see eye-to-eye on lots of issues, but that's okay. That's what makes the world go 'round. However, they are mature enough and have enough self-confidence to understand that it's always best to keep an open mind, no matter what the subject matter is. That is how a person grows into a better human being, and that is how a person learns things that they never thought they would learn before. I have learned a lot of stuff on this web page that I never would have learned from talking to my cop buddies. And I hope it's safe to say that some of the cop-haters that I have talked to have learned a little something from me as well. That doesn't mean either of us have to change our opinion or our stance on something---it just means we learned something and grew a little from it. But you Alec, oh man, you---whew! What a one-track, tunnel vision mind you have. I've never seen anything like it. You MUST have people agree with every word that you speak. If someone does not agree with "THE MIGHTY WORD OF ALEC", you go into attack mode and start throwing around statements like they are "criminals" or "traitors", or you refer them to a web page that makes no sense to the average and above-average person, and your mind closes down like a trap door. Like I said, I've never seen anything like it. You haven't budged one micro-inch this whole time. You haven't even been flexible enough to consider other options. You are so immersed in yourself and this story that you have come up with, that it's a mental disorder. I'm sure of it---not a doubt in my mind whatsoever.

Now, to do what I originally said I was going to do, and that is to correct your b.s. that you wrote in your latest comments. You talk about me fibbing and being shallow and absurd--okay, whatever. But that does not change these facts at all:

I wrote the following:

"Hey Alec----I've got a solution to your problems. Since you don't like it here, and you believe that the webmaster is now wrapped up in your big conspiracy plan, I know just the thing to fix it---LEAVE! That way, you won't have to see what I say---or what anyone says. There----problem solved."

Immediately after I wrote that, YOU wrote:

"R/I/R now cops a punk attitude.What R/I/R forgets is that this is my home, as well as the home of the rest of the people of this country, and that he is part of an organized crime syndicate that has invaded my home" (it goes on from here, but it's just more useless dribble)

I know you don't like the facts Alec---you can't handle them. So go ahead and call me a spy, a traitor, a murderer, a rapist, or whatever is next. I know you can't get your mind off those things. I just think it's so ironic how you sit there pounding these things out on computer, and yet, what have you done in your life to help people? There you sit, calling me names and accusing me of the most assinine crimes I've ever heard of, yet I'm the one who has not only risked my own life to save 4 others, but I have also put my own life into the middle of some serious shit to get innocent victims out of the danger zone, i've gone into scenarios that most people--including you--would never dare go into. The list goes on and on the good things that I have done, and I sleep very well at night knowing the things that I have done have made such a positive impact on so many people's lives. I also know that there are convicted felons sitting in prison right now, at this very moment, as the direct result of my arrests and investigations. I've done more good for this country than you ever will, yet you're the one that has the gall to spit out the garbage that you do on a daily basis. I don't know why I continue responding to your comments.
 
 Alec Destry (eMail / Homepage

 Sat Dec 18 
00:26:16
1999
Once again, R/I/R is squirming and fibbing!
This time, R/I/R has completely and intentionally ignored what I said in my two postings immediately prior to this one. Then he comes back with obvious and shallow lies, and then puts words, that it is clear that I never said, in my mouth. How untypical of him. R/I/R, until now, has been more skilled in his fraud and deceit.


But, because it is so important that no one get taken in by his lies and because the possibility of that does exist, let me make one thing clear. I never said or implied:


"• His response: This web page is his "home" which has been invaded by an "organized crime syndicate"."

That is R/I/R's pathetic attempt to twist the people reading this guestbook away from the truth. Now, let me again repeat what I did say:

No, R/I/R, I am not talking about the web page being my home and I am not talking about an organized crime syndicate having invaded this web page. I am talking about the United States of America being my home and an organized crime syndicate having invaded the United States of America, and you know fully well what I am talking about.


You are simply reacting as if I am being vague in the desperate hope that the people reading this guesbook will think that I am "whacko, crazy, etc," despite the evidence that I have brought forth, thus, further demonstrating to everyone your punk attitude.


This latest lie of R/I/R is so shallow and absurd that I don't see how he could hope to use it, unless he is hoping that the readers of this guestbook typically look no further than the most recently posted message and that they automatically and implicitly believe everything that that most recently posted message says.
 
 Retired/Injured Cop (eMail

 Fri Dec 17 
01:24:05
1999
A brief review:

• Alec lays out a lengthy, boring, irrelevant disertation on the problems he has with me, the webmaster, and others that post to this web page.


• I offer a very simple solution to Alec's problem: leave the web page, and don't come back---problem solved!


• His response: This web page is his "home" which has been invaded by an "organized crime syndicate"


• I remind Alec how disconnected from reality he is, and how far off "the deep end" he has once again gone.


• Alec responds, saying that I have a "punk attitude" (as if he's never said that before) because I have a desparate hope of getting the people reading this to think he's a whacko.


Okay---I just had to write it down to see it for myself. Hey Alec--you're still a nut. Go get help--and leave the web page, um, I mean your "home", since you don't like it here. Don't you see how that will fix all of the things that you are complaining about?

 
 Alec Destry (eMail / Homepage

 Thu Dec 16 
21:50:48
1999
No, R/I/R, I am not talking about the web page being my home and I am not talking about an organized crime syndicate having invaded this web page. I am talking about the United States of America being my home and an organized crime syndicate having invaded the United States of America, and you know fully well what I am talking about.


You are simply reacting as if I am being vague in the desperate hope that the people reading this guesbook will think that I am "whacko, crazy, etc," despite the evidence that I have brought forth, thus, further demonstrating to everyone your punk attitude.

 
 Retired/Injured Cop (eMail

 Thu Dec 16 
20:13:19
1999
Alec---You're really off the deep end now dude. You think that this web page is your HOME? Are you for real? And you think that an organized crime syndicate has invaded this web site? What in the heck are you talking about? I'll bet you're the kind of guy that would go to a restaurant, absolutely hate the food and the service, and then go back the next night and expect things to be different. When they're no different, you complain again. And what do you do the next night---go to a different restaurant? Nope--you come right back to that same restaurant and start complaining about the food. The simple solution to that problem is not go back to that restaurant. It's actually a very simple thing to do. I'm surprised that I even have to point this out to you. You're not THAT dumb--I know that. So now when I tell you that the answer to your problem is to leave this web site, you call it your home??? Wow---you are a nut. Am I using YOUR computer too? Maybe this is stolen property, and part of the big conspiracy also means that I'm using your computer and you don't even know it. Yeah, that's it. Whenever you're not looking, I climb in your window and start typing on your computer. When you come back to the room again, I jump out the window so you don't see me typing. Sheesh........
 
 Alec Destry (eMail / Homepage

 Thu Dec 16 
19:57:01
1999
Regarding R/I/R's posting of Thu Dec 16 17:41:32 1999, R/I/R now cops a punk attitude. What R/I/R forgets is that this is my home, as well as the home of the rest of the people of this country, and that he is part of an organized crime syndicate that has invaded my home. Now, why should I let him, and the organized crime syndicate that he is very much a part of, get away with their crimes. If I remember correctly, criminals are supposed to be brought to trial and punished for their crimes.
 
 Retired/Injured Cop (eMail

 Thu Dec 16 
17:41:32
1999
Hey Alec----I've got a solution to your problems. Since you don't like it here, and you believe that the webmaster is now wrapped up in your big conspiracy plan, I know just the thing to fix it---LEAVE! That way, you won't have to see what I say---or what anyone says. There----problem solved.
 
 Alec Destry (eMail / Homepage

 Thu Dec 16 
13:51:43
1999
ProCop, you wrote:

"What's this? A Rodney King memorial page. What a bunch of cow dung. As long as there are losers like the creators of this page, I will continue to own firearms. That way, when one of these militant losers breaks into my house, I can deal with it myself! I would suspect that these anti-cop types make their money in several ways:



1) Sponging off of the government

2) Selling crack cocaine

3) Home invasion robberies.


It seems that you don't get the picture. The cops don't want to protect you. They want to protect those "militant losers" you don't like. How do I know? Because, once a "militant loser," such as you described, attacked me and I had to defend myself, using a firearm. How did the police respond? By attempting to railroad me on so called "assault with a firearm." The ultimate outcome was, thank God!, that their attempt failed and that their so called "court case" ended up dismissed (because their entire position was absurd and that fact finally had to come out (I guess)).


I do agree with you on one point, however. The webmaster of this page is definitely a loser and guess what: he supports the facist system of fraudulent police we have in this country today, even though he puts on a good act of doing the opposite. Why do I say that? Because, he supports R/I/R (Retired Injured Cop) and attempts to cover up the connection between the fraudulent New World Order and police brutality, and when someone, such as myself, proves the absurdity of his position, he gets extremely hostile.

 
 Retired/Injured Cop (eMail

 Thu Dec 16 
13:42:55
1999
Yawn......zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz............(Someone wake me up when he's done....)
 
 Alec Destry (eMail / Homepage

 Thu Dec 16 
13:20:06
1999
R/I/R is definitely squirming and fibbing now!
Consider the following in his posting of Wed Dec 15 14:04:51 1999:

"Regarding your comment about the courts deciding that the police have no legal duty to act---you're 100% correct. A couple of quick things about that (for the benefit of the reader's--not Alec because he doesn't listen). First of all, that decision came from the courts--not the cops. So the complaint should be directed at the appropriate group." (Italics added for emphasis).


"The cops are required to follow the laws and have no say in the matter, other than doing the same things that any citizen can do in an attempt to change laws. (Note to Alec---If you're so concerned about this, why don't you quit whining on a web page and go out and form a group of people to collect signatures and get something on the ballot?)." (Italics added for emphasis).


The remainder of that posting is nothing more than the drivel he so profusely pours out as part of his charade that I caught on to and pointed out early on in my postings.


But, if everyone does look at the previous postings that I made to this guestbook, they will see that it is the court system that I have been mainly focusing on when I said that the government is a fraud. Furthermore, they will see that I had also brought forth evidence that proves that I had already "taken my complaints" to them (the courts), and that they had responded by not following their own laws that they profess to obey.


When I made my postings to this guestbook and brought the evidence against the court system to R/I/R's attention, his reaction was attacks on my character and total defense of the courts to the point of absurdity. Here are a few examples from his previous postings:


Alec wrote:


"the entire court system in the United States is a fraudulent court system of attornment and is a communist aristocracy owned and controlled by foreign nationals! "


"The attempt was made by 2 people who were robbed of a $5,000,000.00 estate by the Southern California Conference of 7th Day Adventists Church."


"Just as soon as Mr. Molano became aware of the presence of the 8 individuals, he immediately stood up, ran out of the courtroom, ripped off his robes, hid in his chambers and called a Los Angeles County deputy sheriff (whose mentality Retired/Injured Cop, User3665@aol.com no doubt shares) to arrest all 8 individuals"


"....... whereupon 1 of the 2 people making the felony complaint stood up and stated: "Yes, I have a felony complaint against Mr. Ira Reiner". (note by Retired/Injured here: For those who don't know, Ira Reiner at the time was the district attorney for Los Angeles County).


"Mr. Mills stopped that individual and said: "get out of my court or I will have you arrested for contempt.."


I think those are enough quotes for all to understand where Alec is coming from. Alec--please get counseling before you hurt someone. The longer you let this go, the more dilusional you will get. Life's too short.

Retired/Injured Cop <User3665@aol.com>

Bay Area, CA USA - Thursday, August 05, 1999 at 18:58:15 (MDT)



"2)You are obviously a person who knows nothing about case law decisions, as well as the "spirit of the law" and how it applies itself in real life. You quote all of these laws like everything is followed in black and white just becuase it's written. There is the fantasy-land of reading the law books, and there is the reality of actually applying those laws in real life. I'm just telling you this since you obviously live in fantasy-land. Basically, you don't know what you're talking about. And there is no way I'm going to take the time to justify why. There isn't room for two people in your strange little world."


"Every single arrest I ever made I feel 100% confident about it. No person ever went to jail that didn't deserve to go--not deserve to go because I thought they deserved it--but deserved to go because of the crimes they committed."


"..., this coming from a person who wants ME to fly to Los Angeles (??) and arrest the former elected District Attorney of LA County, this coming from someone who has one of the strangest and most confusing web pages on the Internet......Okay--you must be right. I guess I did admit to the brainwashing of police. (How did you EVER get to be so misled and confused??)..."


So, here we are, once again "having gone around the donkey wheel full circle," and what does R/I/R show himself to be? Nothing other than a bumbling, contradictory and vicious idiot who is taking advantage of people's lack of knowledge in an attempt to further the fraudulent New World Order he so maliciously supports.


Incidentally, my "whining on this webpage," as R/I/R calls it, is an attempt to make people aware of the fraud that calls itself our public government, so that the fraud can be eliminated. "Voting," as it is called in this country, is, quite simply, a scam designed to deceive the people of this country into believing that they are free and are in control. The reality is that, whenever the people vote to approve something that the power elite doesn't like, they will simply "challenge it in the courts" and overrule the will of the voters in their fraudulent court system of attornment. In fact, the United States has been invaded by a regime so facist that it is dangerous for me to publicly propose any kind of remedy for the people of this country, as clearly shown by R/I/R's September 25, 1999 threat of an armed aggression against me, under color of law and using "fabricated charges" of course.

 
 Pro-Cop 

 Thu Dec 16 
01:44:52
1999
What's this? A Rodney King memorial page. What a bunch of cow dung. As long as there are losers like the creators of this page, I will continue to own firearms. That way, when one of these militant losers breaks into my house, I can deal with it myself! I would suspect that these anti-cop types make their money in several ways:

1) Sponging off of the government
2) Selling crack cocaine
3) Home invasion robberies.
 
 Retired/Injured Cop (eMail

 Wed Dec 15 
14:04:51
1999
Well, the message posted okay but the window looks a bit strange (it says "Transfer Interrupted!" in the middle of it, along with some other weird stuff.


Anyway.......Alec---welcome back! I was beginning to get depressed without having a daily dose of humor from you. And you sure did a whammy today! Oh man, I love it. Always going back to the same tired, boring gibberish. I won't even comment on it--I'd be wasting mine and everyone else's time.


Regarding your comment about the courts deciding that the police have no legal duty to act---you're 100% correct. A couple of quick things about that (for the benefit of the reader's--not Alec because he doesn't listen). First of all, that decision came from the courts--not the cops. So the complaint should be directed at the appropriate group. The cops are required to follow the laws and have no say in the matter, other than doing the same things that any citizen can do in an attempt to change laws. (Note to Alec---If you're so concerned about this, why don't you quit whining on a web page and go out and form a group of people to collect signatures and get something on the ballot?).


The important thing to look at as to why the court ruled this way, is to look at the reasons behind it. For the example that is on the web page that is referenced in the posting below (the women in the apartment complex), that was a horrible tragedy that never should have happened. But the ruling that police do not have to act in certain situations would not have changed a thing in that case---not one single thing. There were other mistakes that were made in that referenced case. The dispatcher who took the call made a fatal mistake of not classifying the call as a high priority. The watch commander made the mistake of not keeping an eye on the computer screen of the calls pending and reading the text of the calls to see exactly what the person is reporting. Maybe the cops even made a mistake by not pulling up the pending calls on their computers and reading the pending events (if that's even possible for that particular agency). There are all sorts of fingers that can be pointed at different people as to WHY the police did not respond to that call. Things like this are just like statistics---if anyone understands stats and how they work, almost any statistic can be used either against OR for almost any topic. Numbers can be manipulated very easily, and they ARE manipulated all the time for the benefit of whoever is reporting the numbers. A similar circumstance is happening here with that web page. It's only telling part of the story, and connecting apples and oranges together to come up with an answer. The average person doesn't understand how all of this stuff works, so they may read that and actually believe it. But as I pointed out, in the specific example used on the web page that talks about the women in the apartment and the police not responding, not one single thing would have been different if the courts (prior to that) had said that the police DO have a legal obligation to assist. Because the procedures would have been exactly the same---calls are priortized all the time, calls are pending ALL THE TIME. Right now in any large city--Los Angeles, San Francisco, Chicago, New York, and so on----there are two or three computer pages of pending calls. How did they get in there, and how did they get placed in the order of priority that they are in RIGHT NOW? Simple--a dispatcher or call-taker did it. If the dispatcher messed up and did not prioritize the call correctly, then some very serious results will happen as a result of that error.


Getting back to the issue of the courts saying that the police have no duty to act (or whatever the legal wording is), there are very good reasons for them coming up with that decision. First of all, consider the legal definition of "special relationship" as it relates to the police and the public. Police departments have to be VERY careful to NEVER establish a "special relationship" with somebody because that opens up the door for huge liability concerns. Just as a small example of what a special relationship would be: Suppose a woman calls the police department and expresses concern to the watch commander that her daughter works at a fast food restaurant in a bad part of town. And this woman also says that her daughter works the late shift and has to close the business. The mother is concerned because the daughter has to walk out to the parking lot by herself when she gets off work, and it's 2 o'clock in the morning and she is concerned that her daughter might become a victim of a violent crime. For that reason, the mother asks if the police can just patrol the area of the restaurant around 2AM when her daughter gets off work just to make sure she gets to the car safely every night. If the officer she is talking to does not understand the term "special relationship" (and many do not), and he says, "Okay ma'am, we'll be sure to keep an eye on that area for your daughter and someone will drive by there around 2AM". Just by those casual words, the police department just engaged in a special relationship with that woman. Now, if the daughter gets off work at 2AM and walks out to her car and gets raped, where were the police?? Can and should they be expected to go to that restaurant 5 nights a week to escort this girl to her car? Of course not. The officer can certainly drive over that way if he has time. But what if he's tied up in someone's house on the other side of his beat investigating a different incident? What I'm trying to say here is that the police should not engage in special relationships with people because the courts have said that it opens them up to huge liability. That particular circumstance of a "special relationship" is the only circumstance that I know of where the police can be held liable for not responding to and not handling a certain call. If a special relationship has NOT been established, then that is where the court's decision comes into play of the police not having to act or respond to a call for help. Just looking at that on the surface seems pretty wild--I agree. However, I have NEVER met a police officer that would not respond to a call for help. The ONLY reason that decision was made was strictly for officer safety reasons. A good example of this was a news video that lots of people have seen before. I'm referring to a news camera that was overhead filming a VERY large gang fight involving at least 100 gang members. Their cars were everywhere, and people were everywhere. Gun shots could be heard, and it was a huge melee. As the news camera is recording this incident, the first police car to arrive pulls up with his lights and siren turned on. As the police car turns the corner and sees what he is faced with (one officer versus 100 gang members), the officer throws the car in reverse and gets the hell out of there. He retreats to a safe location while he is calling for lots and lots of backup officers to respond. That's the reason the courts have said that---so that somebody can't come back and sue that officer for not taking action in certain incidents. The courts have said that the police do not have an obligation to respond to a call for help, and that is a classic example of why that ruling was made. If the officer would have gone into that scene by himself, he would have been killed. He also would have been introducing serious hazards to the public--such as giving gang members access to a police car, a police radio, a police computer, and so on. When 100 gang members are up against one officer, it's fairly obvious who is going to win. So the officer is legally allowed to get out of there and NOT respond to the call for help until it is safe to do so.


As I said before, on the surface of it, the ruling by the court looks pretty horrible by them saying that the police don't have to do anything. But there are very serious reasons for them ruling that way. Now if it comes down to a situation where an officer sees a woman getting raped and she is screaming for help, and the officer decides not to help her because he's on his way to lunch (not that it would ever happen), then there are PLENTY of ways to deal with that. First of all, the officer would be fired--no doubt about it. Second of all, I'm sure the D/A, because of pressure from the public and news media, would find something to charge the officer on. Some sort of criminal negligence I'm sure. Police simply don't ignore calls for help---I've NEVER seen it....ever. And I doubt anyone here has ever seen it as well. If someone calls for help, the cops will go---it's their job.

 
 Retired/Injured Cop (eMail